[Mediawiki-l] Translating wiki articles

[nevio carlos de alarcão]

>
> A large part of the problem here is that the translation needs of someone
> like me are quite different from the translation needs of someone who is
> translating an interface.
>
As I said my friend, it is more a matter of involving people than finding
technical ways.

Att, Nevio

2009/11/21 Kent S. Larsen II <kent at lusobraz.com>

>
> Hmmm.
>
> I think you are taking this quite defensively.
>
> My principle observation is simply that currently this extension is NOT set
> up to make it easy for translating anything but interfaces. It doesn't seem
> to have anything that helps explain how it would work otherwise, and there
> are NO examples of translating anything that isn't an interface.
>
> A large part of the problem here is that the translation needs of someone
> like me are quite different from the translation needs of someone who is
> translating an interface.
>
> My only reason for commenting is that you seem to be pushing a solution
> that isn't adequate to the job described -- you seem to believe that a
> system set up for translating interfaces should be adequate for translating
> documents -- and you haven't explained how it IS adequate. Come back to me
> when you have the explanation on the web somewhere and have an example so
> that I can see how it works.
>
> I'm not really looking for a solution at this point, so yes, I only see
> problems. What I do use on my wiki (combination of proofread page and
> doublewiki extensions) and elsewhere (Google translation toolbox) is
> adequate, but not ideal. Until I see something that is better, and,
> ideally, involves the input from someone who actually does the translation
> of documents (or better for me, whole books), I can't see a reason to waste
> much time looking through something that is only presented as a solution or
> "opportunity" for those who have completely different needs than I have.
>
> Kent
>
> At 8:12 AM +0100 11/20/09, you wrote:
> >Right. So I'll give it one last shot before you go try and create your own
> >extension in the next two years. It appears to me like you are thinking in
> >problems instead of opportunities.
> >
> >Let me translate some of the remarks you made, and provide some more
> >information:
> >
> >(1) 'to set up a page to be translated, you have to not only set it up as
> a
> >project, but break the parts of the page into individual translateable
> >chunks': Opportunity speak: Wow. This is flexible. You can choose to put
> >translate tags around the whole page content, where a parser will break it
> up
> >for you, but it is also possible to keep the awkward formatting away from
> >translators, and selectively keep out that formatting from the
> translatable
> >content. Would there be any chance that this can be done automatically? My
> >reply: sure. We are a little short on developers, but we are certainly
> >prepared to help you further develop on the Translate extension if you are
> >interested and able to.
> >
> >(2) 'whole thing seems extremely cumbersome and inconvenient': Opportunity
> >speak: I don't understand fully how to do this. At first glance it looks
> hard.
> >Can you provide some additional information? My reply: sure. We'd be glad
> to
> >help you. Please join us on Freenode's #mediawiki-i18n and we will see if
> we
> >can get any misunderstandings out of the way.
> >
> >(3) 'translatewiki.net currently doesn't have ANY documents or webpage
> >projects, only software interfaces': Opportunity speak: I cannot find
> which
> >content pages are available for translation at the moment. Do you have
> some
> >links? My reply: sure. See
> >http://translatewiki.net/wiki/Special:PageTranslation
> >
> >(4) 'the documentation needs to be re-written to make it clear how to use
> it'.
> >Opportunity speak: I cannot find the documentation. Where can I find it?
> My
> >reply: Ouch. You got us there. Having the little development resources
> that we
> >have, we have always invested in adding and improving functionality, and
> >documentation is outdated at best. On mediawiki.org it is not present. We
> >would appeaciate help in that area. Also see (2).
> >
> >Cheers!
> >
> >Siebrand Mazeland
> >
> >
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: mediawiki-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
> >[mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Kent S.
> Larsen
> >II
> >Sent: Friday, November 20, 2009 4:22 AM
> >To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> >Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Translating wiki articles
> >
> >
> >Yes, I checked out the link.
> >
> >As far as I can tell, in order to set up a page to be translated, you have
> >to not only set it up as a project, but break the parts of the page into
> >individual translateable chunks.
> >
> >The whole thing seems extremely cumbersome and inconvenient -- it really
> is
> >set up to be used for translating a software interface and not actual
> >documents.
> >
> >As far as I can tell, translatewiki.net currently doesn't have ANY
> >documents or webpage projects, only software interfaces.
> >
> >If I'm wrong about this, then the documentation needs to be re-written to
> >make it clear how to use it.
> >
> >Kent
> >
> >
> >
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