[Mediawiki-l] Apple's Wiki Server brings WYSIWYG to wiki

Tue Aug 8 19:11:59 UTC 2006

I am not so sure about your numbers (95% - 5% split) -- the way I see
things, corporations have Powerpoint, Word & Excel-DNA that isn't easily
mutated/substituted. But then again, I have been many times wrong before.

Jld.

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[mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Frederich, Eric
P2173
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Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Apple's Wiki Server brings WYSIWYG to wiki

Yes, I found myself looking at the code for an existing page if it has been
a while since putting an image in the system too but I have only been using
wiki for about a month now.

I believe that 95% of new users who know nothing about wiki would be able to
take an existing image and change the caption under it if it existed or
other minor edits.  So forget about modifying some paragraph that already
exists, we want people to add content.  I still believe that those same 95%
of non-wiki people would be able to add valuable content to the page (save
new tables and new images).  Most of the remaining 5% of people who couldn't
contribute anything using wiki markup would probably have a hard time adding
anything using a WYSIWYG editor anyway.  I think the only thing you will
gain from a WYSIWYG editor is the ability for a 'virgin' to the system to be
able to add a new image or table.

What I am hoping to happen in our corporate environment is to have people
designated as Wiki Authors who can take a word document or an e-mail from
somebody and wikify it.  As someone said in another post to this list, it is
a collaborative effort.  Just add your content and somebody will make it
pretty or put it in a table for you.

~Eric

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[mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kirk
Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:16 PM
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What I meant was this kind of thing:
[[Image:Name.png|left|250px|Description]] in the right order etc - I can
never remember so I have it on a tools page in my userspace  on en:wp.

-- gary kirk

On 8/8/06, Frederich, Eric P2173 <eric.frederich at siemens.com> wrote:
> I can see both sides of the wiki markup issue.
>
> I think it is very easy for anybody to change an existing page by
adding
> something to a list, changing some wording around or other minor
edits.
>
> To start a new page from scratch it can be intimidating.
>
> The one thing I like about wiki markup is that it is readable unlike 
> html.  I am not sure how other wiki software does with WYSIWYG but I 
> cannot stand any WYSIWYG html editor or WYSIWYG content management 
> system.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mediawiki-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org 
> [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kirk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:46 AM
> To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Apple's Wiki Server brings WYSIWYG to wiki
>
> I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how it is hard to use...sure, 
> tables might be a little difficult, and having images how you want 
> them too, but for simple editing it really isn't, especially with the 
> edit bar.
>
> -- gary kirk
>
>
> On 8/8/06, MHart <wiki at matthart.com> wrote:
> >
> > Intuit uses MediaWiki in the majority of its internal wikis - over
> 100. We
> > have one MediaWiki running with fck. Some groups are migrating to
> Jotspot
> > since it provides wysiwyg.
> >
> > The lack of wysiwyg is indeed a hurdle for contributors. Even at a 
> > "techie"
> > company like Intuit, half the potential contributors see wikitext as
a
> > hurdle.
> >
> > This number likely reflects the rest of the world - it wouldn't
> surprise
> > me
> > if many potential Wikipedia contributors are also stymied by
wikitext.
> Do
> > you have the number of Edit clicks that didn't then result in a
Save?
> That
> > might be a decent indicator of first-time contribution attempts that 
> > failed for some reason - possibly intimidated by wikitext.
> >
> > The one wiki we have with fck was an add-on to an existing wiki and 
> > encountered the compatibility issues Brion mentioned. However, just
as
> the
> > community cleans up wikitext pages, the community cleaned up the 
> > conversion issues - just as they would in Wikipedia.
> >
> > You get the closest conversion that you can and then people will
clean
> up
> > what remains.
> >
> > - MHart
> >
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