[Mediawiki-l] Apple's Wiki Server brings WYSIWYG to wiki

[Gary Kirk]

At the end of the day, we're only talking about a handful of wikitext
markup - '''bolding''', ''italicising'', [[Links]] and [[Ugly
link|piped links]]. I believe MediaWiki 1.7 "ships" with some of the
Help; namespace content from mediawiki.org,; correct me if I'm wrong.

-- gary kirk

On 8/8/06, Frederich, Eric P2173 <eric.frederich at siemens.com> wrote:
> Yes, I found myself looking at the code for an existing page if it has
> been a while since putting an image in the system too but I have only
> been using wiki for about a month now.
>
> I believe that 95% of new users who know nothing about wiki would be
> able to take an existing image and change the caption under it if it
> existed or other minor edits.  So forget about modifying some paragraph
> that already exists, we want people to add content.  I still believe
> that those same 95% of non-wiki people would be able to add valuable
> content to the page (save new tables and new images).  Most of the
> remaining 5% of people who couldn't contribute anything using wiki
> markup would probably have a hard time adding anything using a WYSIWYG
> editor anyway.  I think the only thing you will gain from a WYSIWYG
> editor is the ability for a 'virgin' to the system to be able to add a
> new image or table.
>
> What I am hoping to happen in our corporate environment is to have
> people designated as Wiki Authors who can take a word document or an
> e-mail from somebody and wikify it.  As someone said in another post to
> this list, it is a collaborative effort.  Just add your content and
> somebody will make it pretty or put it in a table for you.
>
> ~Eric
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: mediawiki-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org
> [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kirk
> Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 12:16 PM
> To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Apple's Wiki Server brings WYSIWYG to wiki
>
> What I meant was this kind of thing:
> [[Image:Name.png|left|250px|Description]] in the right order etc - I
> can never remember so I have it on a tools page in my userspace  on
> en:wp.
>
> -- gary kirk
>
> On 8/8/06, Frederich, Eric P2173 <eric.frederich at siemens.com> wrote:
> > I can see both sides of the wiki markup issue.
> >
> > I think it is very easy for anybody to change an existing page by
> adding
> > something to a list, changing some wording around or other minor
> edits.
> >
> > To start a new page from scratch it can be intimidating.
> >
> > The one thing I like about wiki markup is that it is readable unlike
> > html.  I am not sure how other wiki software does with WYSIWYG but I
> > cannot stand any WYSIWYG html editor or WYSIWYG content management
> > system.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: mediawiki-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org
> > [mailto:mediawiki-l-bounces at Wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Gary Kirk
> > Sent: Tuesday, August 08, 2006 11:46 AM
> > To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> > Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Apple's Wiki Server brings WYSIWYG to wiki
> >
> > I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how it is hard to use...sure,
> > tables
> > might be a little difficult, and having images how you want them too,
> > but
> > for simple editing it really isn't, especially with the edit bar.
> >
> > -- gary kirk
> >
> >
> > On 8/8/06, MHart <wiki at matthart.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Intuit uses MediaWiki in the majority of its internal wikis - over
> > 100. We
> > > have one MediaWiki running with fck. Some groups are migrating to
> > Jotspot
> > > since it provides wysiwyg.
> > >
> > > The lack of wysiwyg is indeed a hurdle for contributors. Even at a
> > > "techie"
> > > company like Intuit, half the potential contributors see wikitext as
> a
> > > hurdle.
> > >
> > > This number likely reflects the rest of the world - it wouldn't
> > surprise
> > > me
> > > if many potential Wikipedia contributors are also stymied by
> wikitext.
> > Do
> > > you have the number of Edit clicks that didn't then result in a
> Save?
> > That
> > > might be a decent indicator of first-time contribution attempts that
> > > failed
> > > for some reason - possibly intimidated by wikitext.
> > >
> > > The one wiki we have with fck was an add-on to an existing wiki and
> > > encountered the compatibility issues Brion mentioned. However, just
> as
> > the
> > > community cleans up wikitext pages, the community cleaned up the
> > > conversion
> > > issues - just as they would in Wikipedia.
> > >
> > > You get the closest conversion that you can and then people will
> clean
> > up
> > > what remains.
> > >
> > > - MHart
> > >
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Gary Kirk