[Mediawiki-l] Re: MediaWiki-l Digest, Vol 19, Issue 25
KILLROY
killroy at gmail.com
Fri Apr 15 08:43:33 UTC 2005
I would insert two small code modifications which should simplify the process.
First convert the filnames to a short one and store the long version
in the images table (parhaps as comment). Secondly, create a drop down
box on hte edit window listing all images. A selection might place the
image name on the clipboard or even instert a full iamge link into the
page. You could list the images by their long nameswhyle the image tag
uses the auto generatd short ones, or just leave them long with the
underscore insertion.
I think each of those modifications could be easily done without
interfering with wiki code.
Regards,
Sven Neumann
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> 1. Re: Mass Import (Christof Damian)
> 2. process for uploading/linking to files is difficult
> (greg whittier)
> 3. Categories and #REDIRECT? (Jan Steinman)
> 4. Re: Categories and #REDIRECT? (Richard Holton)
> 5. Re: Categories and #REDIRECT? (Jan Steinman)
> 6. Re: process for uploading/linking to files is difficult (Dori)
> 7. Re: process for uploading/linking to files is difficult
> (greg whittier)
> 8. Re: process for uploading/linking to files is difficult (Dori)
> 9. Re: process for uploading/linking to files is difficult
> (greg whittier)
> 10. Re: process for uploading/linking to files is difficult
> (Brion Vibber)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 13:22:25 +0200
> From: Christof Damian <christof at damian.net>
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Mass Import
> To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
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> On Wed, 13 Apr 2005, Wolfe, Jeff wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I'm seeking a way to mass import lots of data into a MediaWiki. I
> > can massage my data in most reasonable ways and have direct access
> > to the database. I can use existing PHP, generate fake URLS, or hit
> > the SQL database directly. Does anyone have a suggestion?
>
> you could try the pagefromfile.py and upload.py tools that comes with
> pywikipedia. here are the comments for them:
>
> pagefromfile.py converts a text file in multiple wiki pages and
> upload.py uploads image or media data.
>
> christof
>
> --
> Christof Damian
> christof at damian.net
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:11:13 -0400
> From: greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com>
> Subject: [Mediawiki-l] process for uploading/linking to files is
> difficult
> To: mediawiki-l at wikimedia.org
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> Hi all,
>
> I'm been given permission to introduce a wiki into my department at
> work. I've been using mediawiki as a demo to the extent that changing
> would be hard now, but one feature I'm afraid will kill the wiki
> quickly is the difficulty of uploading files. While I know wikis are
> primarily for text content, the first instinct of a new user will be
> to share the files he's been producing in his pre-wiki days.
>
> As I understand it, the way to upload files right now is to go to
> Special:Upload, click browse, etc. Then you edit a page and use the
> [[media:filename|description] syntax. I had one of our most tech
> savvy users try this and it was comically hard for him. He picked a
> file with a very long file name and spaces. He got a warning about
> the renaming and file size that confused him (I can probably configure
> this). Then he tried to list the files so he could cut and paste the
> file name (this is way beyond most of the potential users) back in the
> edit window. This process involved open the file multiple times in
> the attempt to highlight it. Then we put brackets around the name.
> Forgot it was two instead of one at first, etc.
>
> Is there any easier way to do this? I'd like to have the user not
> have to memorize or cut and paste the filename across windows. Where
> would I look to alter the button above the editing window. I've never
> coded in php before, but have used other scripting languages (python,
> perl, etc.).
>
> Any help is greatly appreciated!
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:01:19 -0700
> From: Jan Steinman <Jan at Bytesmiths.com>
> Subject: [Mediawiki-l] Categories and #REDIRECT?
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> I've noticed that pages that are redirected are not in any category. I
> tried adding a [[Category:]] statement after the #REDIRECT statement,
> to no avail.
>
> Is there any way to make redirected pages show up in a Category,
> preferably the same one(s) as the page it redirects to?
>
> :::: We're in a giant car heading toward a brick wall at a hundred
> miles an hour, arguing over who has the best seat. -- David Suzuki
> :::: Jan Steinman <http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Van>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:07:52 -0500
> From: Richard Holton <richholton at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Categories and #REDIRECT?
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> On 4/14/05, Jan Steinman <Jan at bytesmiths.com> wrote:
> > I've noticed that pages that are redirected are not in any category. I
> > tried adding a [[Category:]] statement after the #REDIRECT statement,
> > to no avail.
> >
> > Is there any way to make redirected pages show up in a Category,
> > preferably the same one(s) as the page it redirects to?
> >
> > :::: We're in a giant car heading toward a brick wall at a hundred
> > miles an hour, arguing over who has the best seat. -- David Suzuki
> > :::: Jan Steinman <http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Van>
> >
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> That has been implemented in the 1.5 development code.
>
> -- Rich Holton
>
> [[W:en:User:Rholton]]
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 18:19:32 -0700
> From: Jan Steinman <Jan at Bytesmiths.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] Categories and #REDIRECT?
> To: Richard Holton <richholton at gmail.com>, MediaWiki announcements and
> site admin list <mediawiki-l at Wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <4b07a5dec3b96dc05c4278ec954123ef at Bytesmiths.com>
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> On 14 Apr 2005, at 18:07, Richard Holton wrote:
>
> > On 4/14/05, Jan Steinman <Jan at bytesmiths.com> wrote:
> >> Is there any way to make redirected pages show up in a Category,
> >> preferably the same one(s) as the page it redirects to?
> >
> > That has been implemented in the 1.5 development code.
>
> Thanks! I'm itching to download it and try it... as soon as my taxes
> are done... which I'm not working on when I'm playing with MediaWiki...
> :-(
>
> :::: We got the best politicians in this country that money can buy. --
> Will Rogers
> :::: Jan Steinman <http://www.Bytesmiths.com/Item/99AA34>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:28:32 -0500
> From: Dori <slowpoke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] process for uploading/linking to files is
> difficult
> To: greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com>, MediaWiki announcements and site
> admin list <mediawiki-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <d2f92e8b05041418287125f852 at mail.gmail.com>
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> On 4/14/05, greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Is there any easier way to do this? I'd like to have the user not
> > have to memorize or cut and paste the filename across windows. Where
> > would I look to alter the button above the editing window. I've never
> > coded in php before, but have used other scripting languages (python,
> > perl, etc.).
> >
>
> Yes, a simple script written for commons by Erik Möller can probably be
> adapted for your use:
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_upload_service/Script
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 7
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 21:43:42 -0400
> From: greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] process for uploading/linking to files is
> difficult
> To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> <mediawiki-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <a250eacf0504141843c61b0bf at mail.gmail.com>
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>
> On 4/14/05, Dori <slowpoke at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 4/14/05, greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Is there any easier way to do this? I'd like to have the user not
> > > have to memorize or cut and paste the filename across windows. Where
> > > would I look to alter the button above the editing window. I've never
> > > coded in php before, but have used other scripting languages (python,
> > > perl, etc.).
> > >
> >
> > Yes, a simple script written for commons by Erik Möller can probably be
> > adapted for your use:
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_upload_service/Script
> >
> >
>
> Thanks for the tip, but I believe this requires the client to have
> perl installed on their computer. I was probably confusing by
> refering to "files." I'm really just worried about making it to
> upload one file and link to it.
>
> Believe it or not, the current method has a high enough barrier to
> entry that few of my potential users will bother with it. Basically,
> I'm looking for a point and click (no typing or cut and pasting
> filenames) way to do this. I don't need them to upload lots of file.
> Just one.
>
> Thanks,
> Greg
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 20:55:26 -0500
> From: Dori <slowpoke at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] process for uploading/linking to files is
> difficult
> To: greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com>, MediaWiki announcements and site
> admin list <mediawiki-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <d2f92e8b050414185562c364ca at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> On 4/14/05, greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > On 4/14/05, Dori <slowpoke at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On 4/14/05, greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > Is there any easier way to do this? I'd like to have the user not
> > > > have to memorize or cut and paste the filename across windows. Where
> > > > would I look to alter the button above the editing window. I've never
> > > > coded in php before, but have used other scripting languages (python,
> > > > perl, etc.).
> > > >
> > >
> > > Yes, a simple script written for commons by Erik Möller can probably be
> > > adapted for your use:
> > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_upload_service/Script
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for the tip, but I believe this requires the client to have
> > perl installed on their computer. I was probably confusing by
> > refering to "files." I'm really just worried about making it to
> > upload one file and link to it.
> >
> > Believe it or not, the current method has a high enough barrier to
> > entry that few of my potential users will bother with it. Basically,
> > I'm looking for a point and click (no typing or cut and pasting
> > filenames) way to do this. I don't need them to upload lots of file.
> > Just one.
>
> I do find it hard to believe that the current method is difficult. It's as
> point and click as you can get. If your users find this hard, man wait till
> you tell them what a wiki is.
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 9
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 22:15:42 -0400
> From: greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] process for uploading/linking to files is
> difficult
> To: Dori <slowpoke at gmail.com>
> Cc: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> <mediawiki-l at wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <a250eacf0504141915552df44c at mail.gmail.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
>
> Am I missing something? Doesn't the user have to type in [[media:some
> really long file name -- version 3Apr2005.pdf|my file]] to link to a
> file after having uploading it?
>
> This user already knew what a wiki and, in fact, was already running a
> personal wiki (voodoopad). He also had no trouble making new pages
> with mediawiki. It's just files that were hard!
>
> In MoinMoin typing [attachment:my_file.pdf] creates a link that if
> clicked prompts the user to upload the file if it doesn't exist
> already. With my installation of mediawiki, if the file doesn't
> exist, it just does nothing when you click on it.
>
> I understand that files are not the focus of mediawiki (or wikipedia)
> and I appreciate the great product. Sorry for the whining and thanks
> for your time.
>
> Greg
>
> On 4/14/05, Dori <slowpoke at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 4/14/05, greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/14/05, Dori <slowpoke at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On 4/14/05, greg whittier <gregwh at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > Is there any easier way to do this? I'd like to have the user not
> > > > > have to memorize or cut and paste the filename across windows. Where
> > > > > would I look to alter the button above the editing window. I've never
> > > > > coded in php before, but have used other scripting languages (python,
> > > > > perl, etc.).
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Yes, a simple script written for commons by Erik Möller can probably be
> > > > adapted for your use:
> > > >
> > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:File_upload_service/Script
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > Thanks for the tip, but I believe this requires the client to have
> > > perl installed on their computer. I was probably confusing by
> > > refering to "files." I'm really just worried about making it to
> > > upload one file and link to it.
> > >
> > > Believe it or not, the current method has a high enough barrier to
> > > entry that few of my potential users will bother with it. Basically,
> > > I'm looking for a point and click (no typing or cut and pasting
> > > filenames) way to do this. I don't need them to upload lots of file.
> > > Just one.
> >
> >
> > I do find it hard to believe that the current method is difficult. It's as
> > point and click as you can get. If your users find this hard, man wait till
> > you tell them what a wiki is.
> >
> >
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 10
> Date: Thu, 14 Apr 2005 19:15:43 -0700
> From: Brion Vibber <brion at pobox.com>
> Subject: Re: [Mediawiki-l] process for uploading/linking to files is
> difficult
> To: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
> <mediawiki-l at Wikimedia.org>
> Message-ID: <425F23CF.5030606 at pobox.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
> Dori wrote:
> > On 4/14/05, greg whittier wrote:
> >>Believe it or not, the current method has a high enough barrier to
> >>entry that few of my potential users will bother with it. Basically,
> >>I'm looking for a point and click (no typing or cut and pasting
> >>filenames) way to do this. I don't need them to upload lots of file.
> >>Just one.
> >
> > I do find it hard to believe that the current method is difficult. It's as
> > point and click as you can get. If your users find this hard, man wait till
> > you tell them what a wiki is.
>
> There are actually a few difficulties, which potentially could be improved:
>
> * The info text is too long: no human will ever read it, and it obscures
> the functional controls. (This was the unfortunate result of being fed
> up with complaints about insufficient explanation of uploading policies
> on the page.)
>
> * Some of the warnings are not really relevant. (It changed my spaces to
> underscores? Horror of horrors!)
>
> * After a successful upload, it's unclear what to do. There's a blobby
> paragraph but no link back to the page you came from.
>
> We've gotten a number of suggestions that after upload you should be
> able to easily return to the page you were on when you hit the upload
> link (similar to the login and logout operations). I think this might be
> a good idea at the least.
>
> Potentially it could take you straight to the edit page and give you an
> opportunity to cut-n-paste the sample link. I'm less sure about that.
>
> One thing that's maybe not obvious to people is that uploads in
> MediaWiki are *not* attachments to particular articles. They may be used
> in many pages, or in none, and they live existences independent of any
> page they may be linked from. This means the interface has to be
> different from adding an attachment to a webmail message, because it
> _is_ different, and this does complicate things.
>
> Exactly how complicated they have to be is a matter for balance.
>
> -- brion vibber (brion @ pobox.com)
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