Thanks for your thoughts, tic, I'm now a bit closer to understanding...
Nikolai
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Gesendet: Mittwoch, 13. Oktober 2004 00:23
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Still a bit confused:
What I do not understand is the fact, phpmyadmin shows broken
special-characters in the database. --> This seams to me, like there are
(at
least) to views to the database - one using the mediawiki-script and
another
one using the phpmyadmin-script.
I don't know much about mysql and do prefer postgreSQL but as far as I
know does mysql know nothing about unicode yet. But this is about to
change if I'm not mistaken.
postgre on the other hand not only knows unicode for ages but other useful
things too :-)
Maybe one day I can bring my wikis on a postgre database and abandon mysql
completely.
Perfect confusion:
Strange enough (see above), I'm running another German wiki on the
same unix-machine under the same user, using another database. This second
wiki
is also set to use "de - Deutsch - Unicode" via mediawiki-config. There
are
no problems, browsing through wiki-pages with special-characters - and
also
phpmyadmin shows pretty Äs,Ös etc. in the database.
Tell your browser (I use Opera) to render fonts in unicode and the
database entries will look right.
Phpmyadmin on the other hand uses 8859-1 and will render them umlauts as
squares or something if you got a german translation of the interface
running.
Codepages are a long sad story.
But back in the late sixties nobody could imagine that non english
speakers would ever consider using a computer other than by feeding it
stripes of paper with holes in it. Or so.
--tic
Conclusion:
I'm happy, that the front-end for my wiki-users looks perfect and
therefore
thankful for the tics help.
But I'm also curious, why things in the database look, like they look.
Maybe, I have a problem in one of the databases, which mediawiki
compensates
at present, but this could cause troubles in the future - my belly
says...
Niki
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Gesendet: Dienstag, 12. Oktober 2004 00:05
An: MediaWiki announcements and site admin list
Betreff: Re: [Mediawiki-l] converting from latin1 to unicode?
Am Mon, 11 Oct 2004 15:11:31 +0200 hat Nikolai Neumayer
<neum(a)ai.wu-wien.ac.at> geschrieben:
Hello,
I'm running a German wiki configured using latin1. Trying to use
unicode instead of latin1, all special characters like ÄÖÜ etc. are
broken in the browser (and also in the database, if I take a look
into the tables via phpmyadmin). This effect can be undone by running
the setup again configuring latin1. Not being a specialist in such
things it
seems to me
to
You just make a dump of your database like
$ man mysqldump
$ mysqldump -u user -p --add-drop-tables database
$ cp database.sql database.sql.backup
Then run that database.sql file through a converter. I use recode and
it's
pretty powerful.
If you use debian it's just an
$ apt-get install recode
$ man recode
$ recode -l
$ recode l1..u8 database.sql
This should be fine normaly.
Then load it back into the database.
$ man mysql
$ mysql -u user -p database < database.sql
In any case make sure you read the according manpages before you use
the commands to get the syntax right. I often make mistakes :-)
Of course you can use phpmyadmin for the dumping and loading but I
think it's a bit long-winded for this task.
Unix is cool :-)
--tic
PS: Greetings to the city I was born in :-)
be more "modern" to use unicode. Is
this correct, or should I just
leave latin1. If it would make sense to convert to unicode, how can I
do this? What are the consequences of using the one or the other?
Sorry for this questions of one mainly just beeing a "user" but who
also does some things on a server. Any hint, even in the form of
hyperlinks to further reading would be appreciated.
Nikolai
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