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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 16/02/2017 à 05:20, Karen Broome a
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Hello,
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<div class="">I know you haven’t heard from me in awhile and I
hope this e-mail is recognized by the list. <br>
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No problem as far as I'm concerned, email is for asynchronous
discussions. :)<br>
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<div class="">I was the original registrant of the ISO “gsw” tag.
I’ve read the discussion page for this, but only in assisted
translation, though I can parse the French OK. I’d also add that
I registered this tag maybe 10 years ago and suggested this
change on the Wikipedia shortly afterward before I ever joined
Langcom. I think that might have been how I ended up here? :)</div>
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<div class="">These points may help clarify some things:</div>
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<div class="">1. The “gsw” tag is what’s appropriate for Alsatian,
Schweizerdeutsch, and Alemannic. Those are considered to be
dialects of the same language continuum. It is a bit of an
unusual tag in that it does indicate a range of related
dialects. Any discussion of Swabian relates to what ISO
considers a separate language. </div>
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<div class="">Ref: <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/langcodes-keyword.php?SearchTerm=gsw&SearchType=ALL"
class="">http://www.loc.gov/standards/iso639-2/php/langcodes-keyword.php?SearchTerm=gsw&SearchType=ALL</a></div>
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Ok, thank you for the link and the clarification.<br>
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<div class="">2. The IETF tags discussed are more specific than
the ISO code and can be used to distinguish the three named
variants above by region — if that is useful. This is one case
where allowing the IETF tagging could be very useful, IMHO, but
not sure where the group stands with respect to that. However,
it should be noted that there is more than one dialect of GSW
just in Germany. But there are other variant tagging options for
that. That could be preferable. I can’t say.</div>
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Well, at least for wiktionnary, it seems that it might be an
interesting possible solution.<br>
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<div class="">3. But ISO codes are not assigned by region. It
appears that someone is questioning why other languages spoken
in Alsace are not part of the same tag? There, I may have lost
something in translation. The Amish language discussed is also
considered distinct, but would have to look up the code.</div>
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Well I will look back at the discussion to be sure, but basically
there are many dialect and subdialects in the region. It also says
that one of the subdialect (alemán coloniero) is used by a diaspora
among which an "important" Amish US community. <br>
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<div class="">4. Those familiar with these dialects should be
clear that gsw and gsw-CH are not used to describe High German
as written in Switzerland for formal purposes. They describe the
more casual dialect used in informal situations that is not
easily understood by speakers of High German. <br>
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Yes, that's totally clear that it's about casual dialect. :)<br>
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<div class="">In any event, “gsw” certainly seems to be a better
tag than “als.” Just some question as to whether the Wiki
contains a specific variant that could be identified with more
specific tagging and whether we want to allow that. I will look
through the discussion more closely. I could provide a better
answer if I knew more about the community that works on this and
which variant is primarily used, or whether the dialect variants
are mixed throughout the Wikipedia. Hope this helps.</div>
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Yes, thank you Karen<br>
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<div class="">On Feb 8, 2017, at 2:09 AM, mathieu stumpf
guntz <<a moz-do-not-send="true"
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Linux Biolinum O">By
the way, we use "als" (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://als.wikipedia.org/" class="">https://als.wikipedia.org/</a>)
for <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alemannic_German"
class="">Alemannic</a> whose ISO 639-3 is "gsw".
Should we do something about that ?</font></p>
<p class=""><font class="" face="Linux Biolinum O">There
are active <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Sp%C3%A9cial:Recherche?search=gsw&prefix=Wiktionnaire%3AWikid%C3%A9mie&fulltext=Rechercher+dans+les+archives+de+la+Wikid%C3%A9mie&fulltext=Search"
class="">discussions on Alemannic language<b
class="">s</b></a> on the French Wikitionnary,
with a good <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://fr.wiktionary.org/wiki/Wiktionnaire:Wikid%C3%A9mie/janvier_2017#Que_faire_de_l.27alsacien_.3F"
class="">summary of the situation</a> and solution
proposals by Lyokoï. Discussions are following works
around the project "<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Projet:Langues_de_France"
class="">langues de France</a>", especially <a
moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://www.lingualibre.fr/" class="">lingualibre</a>,
and various support from OLCA (<i class="">Office
pour la Langue et la Culture d’Alsace</i>, Office
for the Language and Culture of Alsace) which
provided active help in finding location to host the
next <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/WikiConvention_francophone/2017/fr"
class="">Wikiconvention francophone</a>.</font></p>
<p class=""><font class="" face="Linux Biolinum O">There
are also some <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spezial:Suech?search=gsw&prefix=Wikipedia%3AStammtisch%2F&fulltext=Archiv+dursueche&fulltext=Search&searchToken=agupy8m0zs1u98f6wtoje1n9a"
class="">discussion on "gsw" on the Alemanic
Wikipedia</a>.<br class="">
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<p class=""><font class="" face="Linux Biolinum O">Bis
bàll,<br class="">
Mathieu<br class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Le 02/02/2017 à 16:50,
Danny B. a écrit :<br class="">
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type="cite" class="">Hello,<br class="">
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here is the summary of ISO 639-3 annual changes:<br
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Retirements (= the following codes no longer exist)<br
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* 5 simple retirements<br class="">
** prb / Lua'<br class="">
** puk / Pu Ko<br class="">
** rie / Rien<br class="">
** rsi / Rennellese Sign Language<br class="">
** snh / Shinabo<br class="">
* 3 merged retirements<br class="">
** jeg / Jeng -> oyb /Oy<br class="">
** skk / Sok -> oyb / Oy<br class="">
** krm / Krim -> bmf / Bom-Kim<br class="">
* 1 split language<br class="">
** kgd / Kataang -> ncq / Northern Katang + sct /
Southern Katang<br class="">
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Additions (= the following codes have been added)<br
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* 8 newly created languages not previously associated
with another language in the code set<br class="">
** gie / Gaɓogbo<br class="">
** ibh / Bih<br class="">
** lth / Thur<br class="">
** npx / Noipx<br class="">
** nql / Ngendelengo<br class="">
** szs / Solomon Islands Sign Language<br class="">
** ukk / Muak Sa-aak<br class="">
** xdo / Kwandu<br class="">
* 2 newly created languages created by splitting the
previously existing<br class="">
** ncq / Northern Katang (ex kgd / Kataang)<br
class="">
** sct / Southern Katang (ex kgd / Kataang)<br
class="">
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Updates<br class="">
* 8 name updates, either change to a name form or
addition of a name form<br class="">
** blv: Bolo -> Kibala<br class="">
** bmf: Bom -> Bom-Kim<br class="">
** cug: Chung -> Chungmboko<br class="">
** klw: Lindu -> Tado<br class="">
** krr: Kru'ng 2 -> Krung<br class="">
** lgn: Opuuo -> T'apo<br class="">
** ngt: Ngeq -> Kriang<br class="">
** ovd: Övdalian -> Elfdalian<br class="">
* 2 denotation updates of a language into which
another variety or two was merged<br class="">
** oyb (+jeg, +skk)<br class="">
** bmf (+krm) <br class="">
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Kind regards<br class="">
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Danny B.<br class="">
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