[Maps-l] OSM-Wikimedia collaboration : what next ?

[hugo lopes]

Hello everyone,
Some questions about the OSMap-Wikimedia collaboration ;


*Where is the active place ?*

   - the meta:OpenStreetMap<http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/OpenStreetMap#OpenStreetMap_and_Wikipedia>seems
inactive, so...
   - where is the active place/page where OSMap-Wikimedia collaboration is
   working ?


*Strategy.wikimedia.org initiative take the lead ?:*
The Strategy wiki is becoming more active, and have a nice forms to fill for
technology requests.
I added a request of OSMap-Wikimedia collaboration to create an " Encyclopedic
OpenStreetMap<http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Proposal:Encyclopedic_OpenStreetMap>".

You can also copy the Encyclopedic OpenStreetMap request page, to create an
other Graphics/OSM relate
request<http://strategy.wikimedia.org/wiki/Call_for_proposals#Graphics>.

By the way, maybe the (inactive?) meta:OpenStreetMap page may be move to
this strategy wiki ? Do you agree ?

*Currently on Wikimedia and Commons:*
We are currently, on wikipedia, working in a really archaic way to create
and manage maps. We work in JPG, PNG, SVG, file by file, duplicating images.
Our countries lay out is netheir reliable, neither updatable. Google moved
to a Web 2.0 way of mapmaking, OSM too.
OSM open today to the wikimedia an efficient, and soon or later NEED web 2.0
way to manage maps (and eventually scheme drawing as well).

*Reuse more OSM technologies for wiki maps...*
In addition of the currently planned OSM "Road maps" integration, several
other innovating technologies from the *Web 2.0 SVG OSM project* may
actually be reuse for* encyclopedic purposes*. I here think mainly about :
Collaborative map creation-improvement and multilanguage labelling by
wikipedians ; expansion of OSM to the 7 major Wiki Map Style (w:WikiProject
Maps/Conventions<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/en:Wikipedia:WikiProject_Maps/Conventions>;
StyleEditor ); GIS topographic maps ; specific linguistic layers (thus
avoiding drawing duplicata, easing drawing update, easing
internationalisation/translations).

*...and encyclopedic schemes:*
But OSM also open the path for web 2.0 technical schemes drawing, SVG and
online editing allowing, again, to create linguistic label layers (English
labels layer ; German labels layer ; ...) without duplicating the subject's
drawing (and possible mistakes), thus easing update and corrections.

*Your opinions :*
I will soon fill several such proposals on the Strategy wiki for those
possible paths, but I would be happy to received your feedbacks :

   1. your global opinions on thoses paths,
   2. your opinion on the* feasability* of this ideas in the next years
   (delay) :
       _ OSM integration to wikipedia ?
       _ OSM expansion to 7 major wiki styles ? (with wiki icons, edit by
   wikipedians)
       _ OSM getting a function "create SVG scheme online" (collaborative
   tool) ?
   3. is the Greenspun money still available and is it possible to link it
   to OSM collaboration project to expand its objectives ?
   4. other proposal ?


*Obstacles:*
This will, for sure, need programmers working hard, in collaboration with
OSM ones, to expand the set of tools available, or to adapt OSM to
wikipedia/wikimedia encyclopedic graphic needs. Considering the huge task, a
strong top-to-bottom leardership is need, and when considering the expertise
need (programing, SVG-XML knowledge), founding may equally be need to
achieve such view.

*Founding ?*
The now virtually death Greenspun project have about 20.000 US$ which HAVE
TO BE USE to *"Improve illustration on wikimedia projects on the vectorial
SVG side"* may maybe help such OSMap-Wikimedia collaboration.
Does anyone tryed this way ? Is this money still available ? any information
?

*End:*
I launch here several innovating graphic-relate ideas. I sincerely think are
them to be both *need* -to increase our graphic reliability and identity-
and technically *feasible*.
My own opinion is that, anyway, we [wikimedia] will have to move to
those*web 2.0 graphic technologies sooner or later
*, in the next few years. Since we can start the move toward those
technologies now, since *our job* as 'experts' is to make advised choices to
save human work force in order to do more (research of efficiency) : let's
start now to walk on this path of encyclopedic graphism 2.0 : encyclopedic,
collaborative, SVG (scalable), easily maintainable and translatable.

Hoping your answers,

Regards,

-- 
羅禹國 - Hugo LOPEZ (French), User:Yug (wikigraphist)
Tw. tel: 09-8343-9890
Institute of Innovation, Technology and Management (Master 1)
NCHU, Taizhong, Taiwan.
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