<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Hi All.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I help in maintaining X!’s tools, which <span style="font-family: Verdana;" class="">Maximilian was commenting on. Our other active maintainer is [[User:MusikAnimal]], whose time is limited due to his role in Community Tech.</span></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">That specific bug that was linked was one of those “We can’t find it so it’s hard to fix it” bugs, which I eventually fixed with a “big hammer” as it were. Having users confirm accounts would not have helped fix this bug any differently.</div><div class=""> <br class=""><div class="">
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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 4, 2017, at 03:23, Martin Domdey <<a href="mailto:animalia@gmx.net" class="">animalia@gmx.net</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><div style="font-family: Verdana;font-size: 12.0px;" class=""><div class="">
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<div class="">Hi, X! is writing:</div>
<div class="">"Hi, I am <b class="">X!</b> on Wikipedia, and known as <b class="">Yetanotherx</b> on other websites. I'm relatively inactive on Wikipedia now, and while I read it often, I mostly will stick to mainspace work. I no longer maintain my toolserver tools, those have been passed on to other maintainers. If you have questions about anything, I still read my talk page though, and although it may take some time to respond, I will do my best to get back to you."</div>
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<div class="">So it seems to be there other maintainers, holding the Xtools up and maintain them. Who are these maintainers?</div>
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<div class="">Greetings, </div>
<div class="">Doc Taxon ...</div>
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<div style="margin:0 0 10px 0;" class=""><b class="">Gesendet:</b> Freitag, 03. Februar 2017 um 23:14 Uhr<br class="">
<b class="">Von:</b> "Maximilian Doerr" <<a href="mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com" class="">maximilian.doerr@gmail.com</a>><br class="">
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<b class="">Betreff:</b> Re: [Labs-l] Reimplementing account expiries</div>
<div name="quoted-content" class="">I cannot explain why xTools will break down when moving to Trusty. Hedonil, when he wrote it, made it way too environment specific that it can't even be sneezed at without breaking something. That's why it's getting rewritten to avoid that. I have no idea what change in the environment breaks it but it does, and it's safe to assume that xTools is not the only tool. Anyway if disk space/CPU/RAM are not an issue in regards to inactive tool maintainers then this proposal is moot. I was just suggesting something to help keep unused resources free and available.<br class="">
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> On Feb 3, 2017, at 17:02, Tim Landscheidt <<a href="mailto:tim@tim-landscheidt.de" class="">tim@tim-landscheidt.de</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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> Maximilian Doerr <<a href="mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com" class="">maximilian.doerr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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>> Because the labs environment is always changing. Moving<br class="">
>> xTools from Precise to Trusty will break the tools.<br class="">
>> Thankfully the rewrite coming out soon, will fix that, but<br class="">
>> just saying.<br class="">
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>> […]<br class="">
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> But the deprecation of Precise does not cause a tool to<br class="">
> "suddenly break down", but simply be switched off, with<br class="">
> about seven months of warning. The next time this will hap-<br class="">
> pen is April 2019. So IMHO it is unnecessary to create an<br class="">
> atmosphere where tool developers must assume that their ap-<br class="">
> plications need constant attention. Breaking changes to the<br class="">
> Tools environment are and should be rare as they come at the<br class="">
> price of hundreds or thousands of man-hours.<br class="">
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> Tim<br class="">
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