<div dir="ltr"><div>I'm fine with clean-ups; I'm wondering if they could be done on a set schedule so that everyone knows what to expect and when to expect them. Perhaps this could be done every 6 months. What do people think about that?<br><br>30 days' notice to mark projects as in use prior to suspending projects sounds reasonable to me. I'm wondering, though, if it might be possible to have a 90-day suspension rather than 30-day suspension before deleting projects; deletion implies that they're unrecoverable, and that seems like a much bigger deal than suspending projects.<br><br></div>Pine<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jul 8, 2016 at 2:56 PM, Andrew Bogott <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:abogott@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">abogott@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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Hi Andrew,<br>
<br>
I know resources are limited but I very very strongly object with
this course of action. A lot of people are not on these mailing
list, just not reading it or on holiday because it's summer.
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I always make an attempt to personally contact project admins before
taking steps that affect a project. That said: If you are a
consumer of Labs resources, it is your /responsibility/ to subscribe
to this list and read announcements from admins. Any unattended and
unmaintained server is not just a wasted expense; it is a potential
security risk to all of Labs.<span class=""><br>
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Suspending, shutting down and deletion projects is a good way to
piss off and scare away volunteers.</blockquote></span>
And spending thousands of dollars of donor money on resources for
projects that no one has looked at in years is a good way to ensure
that we never have any new volunteers, because we don't have any
resources to give them. It's clearly a balancing act, but I'm not
clear on what the alternatives are to having these periodic
clean-ups.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888"><br>
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-A</font></span><span class=""><br>
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<blockquote type="cite"> I'm
sure that's not your intended outcome. <br>
<br>
Maarten<br>
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<div>On 08-07-16 18:09, Andrew Bogott
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<div><span>If you are
exclusively a user of tool labs, you can ignore this email.
If you use or administer another labs project, this email
REQUIRES ACTION ON YOUR PART.</span></div>
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<div><span>We are reclaiming
unused resources due to an ongoing shortage.</span></div>
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<div><span>Visit this page
and add a signature under projects you know to be active:</span></div>
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<div><span><a href="https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Purge_2016" target="_blank"></a><a href="https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Purge_2016" target="_blank">https://wikitech.wikimedia.org/wiki/Purge_2016</a></span></div>
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<div><span>Associated <a href="http://wmflabs.org" target="_blank">wmflabs.org</a>
domains are included to identify projects by offered
services.</span></div>
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<div><span>We are not
investigating why projects are needed at this time. If one
person votes to preserve then we will do so in this round of
cleanup.</span></div>
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<div><span>In a month,
projects and associated instances not claimed will be
suspended or shutdown. A month later if no one complains
these projects will be deleted..</span></div>
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<span>- Andrew (on behalf of all Labs Admins
everywhere)</span> <br>
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