<div dir="ltr"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">Hi Pine,</span><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">The publication of the initial round of community consultations for a revised Labs Terms of Use probably will go out in a couple of weeks (I am getting it reviewed right now internally). We will of course notify this mailing list once that happens.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">As for the Wikimetrics' privacy practices, I have reviewed them and I believe the issue is mainly a messaging problem (As you noted earlier, the privacy disclaimer on that project might be confusing.). We are currently surveying all WMF projects hosted on Labs since I do not think we have always aligned our practices consistently across our Labs projects. Once that is done, we will have a better idea of whether we should create different messaging or a different privacy policy that will be uniquely applicable to all WMF created Labs projects. I think it would be better to have this consistency rather than creating anything just for Wikimetrics right now. This process might take some time so it is hard for me give an estimate right now but I hope to have it done by the end of next month.</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">Hope that helps!</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">Best,</div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></div><div style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">Zhou</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Apr 23, 2016 at 9:55 PM, Pine W <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com" target="_blank">wiki.pine@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir="ltr">Hi Zhou,</p>
<p dir="ltr">When might we be able to see drafts of privacy policy updates for Labs and Wikimetrics?</p>
<p dir="ltr">Thanks,</p>
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<div class="gmail_quote">On Mar 15, 2016 13:30, "Zhou Zhou" <<a href="mailto:zzhou@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">zzhou@wikimedia.org</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span style="font-size:13px">Hi Pine,</span><div style="font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-size:13px">Thank you for bringing this up.<br><div><br></div><div>By interstitial, I assume you are referring to the privacy policy blurb that appears <a href="https://metrics.wmflabs.org/policy" target="_blank">here</a> (and also as noted on the Labs TOU). </div></div><div style="font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-size:13px">The interstitial is there to provide notice to end users of WMF Labs projects that the projects are (usually) not developed and controlled by WMF but by individual members of our community. As such, the disclaimer warns users that the standard WMF TOU/privacy policy are no longer applicable and empowers users to make educated decision about how others might use their data. </div><div style="font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-size:13px">Having said that, I understand there might be concerns on the way we present this issue to the end user in the interstitial. We will look into how we can better direct lab developers to draft a clearer privacy policy. If you have specific suggestions in clarifications you would like to see, please send them my way. We will also look into incorporating into the next draft of the Labs TOU your point about real-world consequences for misuse of data.</div><div style="font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-size:13px">With respect to Wikimetrics, we also plan on modifying its privacy policy to address your concerns and clarify on how the data is being used instead of relying on the standard interstitial.</div><div style="font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-size:13px">Let me know if you have any questions.</div><div style="font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-size:13px">Thanks,</div><div style="font-size:13px"><br></div><div style="font-size:13px">Zhou </div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Mar 14, 2016 at 2:19 PM, Michelle Paulson <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:mpaulson@wikimedia.org" target="_blank">mpaulson@wikimedia.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">[+Zhou as he is handling Labs TOU issues (but he and I will coordinate offline on privacy aspects of proposed changes as needed)]<br><br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 6:30 PM, Pine W <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:wiki.pine@gmail.com" target="_blank">wiki.pine@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div>From this conversation, I'm having trouble figuring out why Wikimetrics would have that interstitial on it. Amanda, do you know why that interstital is there?<br><br></div><div>Speaking generally, I would like to suggest to Michelle that clarification on the interstitial warnings and in the Labs TOU would be helpful, as well as an amendment to the Labs TOU that outlines real-world possibilities for legal consequences for mishandling or misuse of private data that's obtained in Labs.<br><br></div><div>Thanks,<br></div><div><br></div>Pine<br></div>
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