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<br class=""><div style=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jun 18, 2015, at 10:09, Petr Bena <<a href="mailto:benapetr@gmail.com" class="">benapetr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">These are of course just my thoughts. No references to back this :)<br class=""><br class="">On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:07 PM, Petr Bena <<a href="mailto:benapetr@gmail.com" class="">benapetr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">That is actually not that easy to decide on. The biggest community are<br class="">wikipedia readers. They don't really care about labs at all. Second<br class="">biggest community are editors, they don't care so much about labs<br class="">either.<br class=""><br class="">Developer community is not that big and most of money comes from<br class="">readers. If there was a way for donors to choose which part of<br class="">wikimedia project they would like to support with their money, I doubt<br class="">there would be many of them who would actually pick "labs".<br class=""><br class="">On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Bene* <<a href="mailto:benestar.wikimedia@gmail.com" class="">benestar.wikimedia@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">I think that's exactly the point where WMF is to blame. Labs is a powerful<br class="">place on which lots of communities rely. We need our bots and tools do work<br class="">efficiently, otherwise it is hard to do cool things on wikis.<br class=""><br class="">So the point is, if "it doesn't have so big budget" this is a big mistake<br class="">and the foundation should consider to change that. You see, community gets<br class="">angry if their tools don't work.<br class=""><br class="">Best regards<br class="">Bene<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Am 18.06.2015 um 16:01 schrieb Petr Bena:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Kdyz tady bude kazdy mluvit svym jazykem tak si moc nepokecame...<br class=""><br class="">To be fair, labs do work - most of the time, and afaik it doesn't have<br class="">so big budget, so blaming the foundation is not very nice. It was<br class="">always meant for development. Ops are actually working hard on it to<br class="">be as much stable as possible.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Maximilian Doerr<br class=""><<a href="mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com" class="">maximilian.doerr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Any ETA when I can SSH back in and restore my bots?<br class=""><br class="">Cyberpower678<br class="">English Wikipedia Account Creation Team<br class="">Mailing List Moderator<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Jun 18, 2015, at 09:48, Steinsplitter Wiki<br class=""><<a href="mailto:steinsplitter-wiki@live.com" class="">steinsplitter-wiki@live.com</a>><br class="">wrote:<br class=""><br class="">the foundation isn't able to provide a service that works in real life.<br class=""><br class="">________________________________<br class="">From: <a href="mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com" class="">maximilian.doerr@gmail.com</a><br class="">Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:47:07 -0400<br class="">To: <a href="mailto:labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org" class="">labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br class=""><br class="">Mist. Ich bekomme wieder beschwerte dass meine Bots schon wieder nicht<br class="">funktionieren. :/<br class=""><br class="">Cyberpower678<br class="">English Wikipedia Account Creation Team<br class="">Mailing List Moderator<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Jun 18, 2015, at 09:45, Steinsplitter Wiki<br class=""><<a href="mailto:steinsplitter-wiki@live.com" class="">steinsplitter-wiki@live.com</a>><br class="">wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Hat was hier los ist damit was zum tun?<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class="">ja :(<br class=""><br class="">________________________________<br class="">From: <a href="mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com" class="">maximilian.doerr@gmail.com</a><br class="">Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:41:53 -0400<br class="">To: <a href="mailto:labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org" class="">labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br class=""><br class="">Ich kann weder einloggen oder meine Bot Seiten aufrufen. Hat was hier<br class="">los<br class="">ist damit was zum tun? ACC funktioniert auch nicht.<br class=""><br class="">Cyberpower678<br class="">English Wikipedia Account Creation Team<br class="">Mailing List Moderator<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On Jun 18, 2015, at 09:40, Steinsplitter Wiki<br class=""><<a href="mailto:steinsplitter-wiki@live.com" class="">steinsplitter-wiki@live.com</a>><br class="">wrote:<br class=""><br class="">@Martin Domdey: hi, ist exakt das selbe was in der vorherigen mail zu<br class="">finden<br class="">ist, ich erwarte mir von seiten der foundation eine genauere antwort.<br class="">z.B.<br class="">noch zwei stunden<br class=""><br class="">um ehrlich zu sein dürfte so etwas nicht passieren, toolslab ist stark<br class="">genutzt.<br class=""><br class="">________________________________<br class="">From: <a href="mailto:animalia@gmx.net" class="">animalia@gmx.net</a><br class="">To: <a href="mailto:labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org" class="">labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br class="">Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:08:15 +0200<br class="">Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br class=""><br class="">Hey Steini, soll noch mehrere Stunden dauern laut den Technikern ...<br class=""><br class="">Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015 um 14:55 Uhr<br class="">Von: "Steinsplitter Wiki" <<a href="mailto:steinsplitter-wiki@live.com" class="">steinsplitter-wiki@live.com</a>><br class="">An: "Wikimedia Labs" <<a href="mailto:labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org" class="">labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a>><br class="">Betreff: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br class="">Toolslabs will be back soon? When approximately?<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 23:09:11 -0400<br class="">From: <a href="mailto:marc@uberbox.org" class="">marc@uberbox.org</a><br class="">To: <a href="mailto:abogott@wikimedia.org" class="">abogott@wikimedia.org</a>; <a href="mailto:labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org" class="">labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br class="">Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br class=""><br class="">On 15-06-17 09:29 PM, Andrew Bogott wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><br class="">Coren is rebooting and fscking the system -- with luck it'll be up<br class="">again within the hour.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Fortune does not smile upon us; the fsck is taking a LONG time to<br class="">progress (over a 40T filesystem), but the repair goes apace.<br class=""><br class="">There is already indication of some lost data - though the failures are<br class="">likely to date from a past crash and may have gone unnoticed for some<br class="">time.<br class=""><br class="">Either way, we have a fairly recent (8-9 days) backup of the entire<br class="">filesystem so we may be able to recover lost or corrupted files if any<br class="">turn up.<br class=""><br class="">Worst case scenario is a catastrophic loss of the entire filesystem<br class="">(which does not seem likely at this time), in which case we will restore<br class="">the filesystem completely from the backup.<br class=""><br class="">The repair process will take at least a few more hours, during which I<br class="">will be keeping watch. 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