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<body class='hmmessage'><div dir='ltr'>>> Secondbiggest community are editors, they don't care so much about labseither.<br>Of course they care, see complains on dewiki for example.<br><br>WMF has payed staffers (not volunteers!) and therefore it should be ensured that this highly used service is up. It is down now for hours, complains x-wiki,... Volunteers are spending free time here, therefore it should be ensured that a minimum of service is up.<br><br>Best<br><br><div>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 16:07:30 +0200<br>> From: benapetr@gmail.com<br>> To: labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br>> <br>> That is actually not that easy to decide on. The biggest community are<br>> wikipedia readers. They don't really care about labs at all. Second<br>> biggest community are editors, they don't care so much about labs<br>> either.<br>> <br>> Developer community is not that big and most of money comes from<br>> readers. If there was a way for donors to choose which part of<br>> wikimedia project they would like to support with their money, I doubt<br>> there would be many of them who would actually pick "labs".<br>> <br>> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 4:03 PM, Bene* <benestar.wikimedia@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> > I think that's exactly the point where WMF is to blame. Labs is a powerful<br>> > place on which lots of communities rely. We need our bots and tools do work<br>> > efficiently, otherwise it is hard to do cool things on wikis.<br>> ><br>> > So the point is, if "it doesn't have so big budget" this is a big mistake<br>> > and the foundation should consider to change that. You see, community gets<br>> > angry if their tools don't work.<br>> ><br>> > Best regards<br>> > Bene<br>> ><br>> ><br>> > Am 18.06.2015 um 16:01 schrieb Petr Bena:<br>> >><br>> >> Kdyz tady bude kazdy mluvit svym jazykem tak si moc nepokecame...<br>> >><br>> >> To be fair, labs do work - most of the time, and afaik it doesn't have<br>> >> so big budget, so blaming the foundation is not very nice. It was<br>> >> always meant for development. Ops are actually working hard on it to<br>> >> be as much stable as possible.<br>> >><br>> >><br>> >> On Thu, Jun 18, 2015 at 3:49 PM, Maximilian Doerr<br>> >> <maximilian.doerr@gmail.com> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> Any ETA when I can SSH back in and restore my bots?<br>> >>><br>> >>> Cyberpower678<br>> >>> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team<br>> >>> Mailing List Moderator<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 09:48, Steinsplitter Wiki<br>> >>> <steinsplitter-wiki@live.com><br>> >>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> the foundation isn't able to provide a service that works in real life.<br>> >>><br>> >>> ________________________________<br>> >>> From: maximilian.doerr@gmail.com<br>> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:47:07 -0400<br>> >>> To: labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br>> >>><br>> >>> Mist. Ich bekomme wieder beschwerte dass meine Bots schon wieder nicht<br>> >>> funktionieren. :/<br>> >>><br>> >>> Cyberpower678<br>> >>> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team<br>> >>> Mailing List Moderator<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 09:45, Steinsplitter Wiki<br>> >>> <steinsplitter-wiki@live.com><br>> >>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>>>> Hat was hier los ist damit was zum tun?<br>> >>><br>> >>> ja :(<br>> >>><br>> >>> ________________________________<br>> >>> From: maximilian.doerr@gmail.com<br>> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 09:41:53 -0400<br>> >>> To: labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br>> >>><br>> >>> Ich kann weder einloggen oder meine Bot Seiten aufrufen. Hat was hier<br>> >>> los<br>> >>> ist damit was zum tun? ACC funktioniert auch nicht.<br>> >>><br>> >>> Cyberpower678<br>> >>> English Wikipedia Account Creation Team<br>> >>> Mailing List Moderator<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> On Jun 18, 2015, at 09:40, Steinsplitter Wiki<br>> >>> <steinsplitter-wiki@live.com><br>> >>> wrote:<br>> >>><br>> >>> @Martin Domdey: hi, ist exakt das selbe was in der vorherigen mail zu<br>> >>> finden<br>> >>> ist, ich erwarte mir von seiten der foundation eine genauere antwort.<br>> >>> z.B.<br>> >>> noch zwei stunden<br>> >>><br>> >>> um ehrlich zu sein dürfte so etwas nicht passieren, toolslab ist stark<br>> >>> genutzt.<br>> >>><br>> >>> ________________________________<br>> >>> From: animalia@gmx.net<br>> >>> To: labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2015 15:08:15 +0200<br>> >>> Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br>> >>><br>> >>> Hey Steini, soll noch mehrere Stunden dauern laut den Technikern ...<br>> >>><br>> >>> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Juni 2015 um 14:55 Uhr<br>> >>> Von: "Steinsplitter Wiki" <steinsplitter-wiki@live.com><br>> >>> An: "Wikimedia Labs" <labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org><br>> >>> Betreff: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br>> >>> Toolslabs will be back soon? When approximately?<br>> >>><br>> >>>> Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2015 23:09:11 -0400<br>> >>>> From: marc@uberbox.org<br>> >>>> To: abogott@wikimedia.org; labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>>> Subject: Re: [Labs-l] NFS outage in progress [UPDATE]<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> On 15-06-17 09:29 PM, Andrew Bogott wrote:<br>> >>>>><br>> >>>>> Coren is rebooting and fscking the system -- with luck it'll be up<br>> >>>>> again within the hour.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Fortune does not smile upon us; the fsck is taking a LONG time to<br>> >>>> progress (over a 40T filesystem), but the repair goes apace.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> There is already indication of some lost data - though the failures are<br>> >>>> likely to date from a past crash and may have gone unnoticed for some<br>> >>>> time.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Either way, we have a fairly recent (8-9 days) backup of the entire<br>> >>>> filesystem so we may be able to recover lost or corrupted files if any<br>> >>>> turn up.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> Worst case scenario is a catastrophic loss of the entire filesystem<br>> >>>> (which does not seem likely at this time), in which case we will restore<br>> >>>> the filesystem completely from the backup.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> The repair process will take at least a few more hours, during which I<br>> >>>> will be keeping watch. I will update this list as soon as I have a<br>> >>>> better assessment of the damage, if any.<br>> >>>><br>> >>>> -- Marc<br>> >>>><br>> >>>><br>> >>>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>>> Labs-l mailing list<br>> >>>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________ Labs-l mailing list<br>> >>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________ Labs-l mailing list<br>> >>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> Labs-l mailing list<br>> >>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________ Labs-l mailing list<br>> >>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> Labs-l mailing list<br>> >>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________ Labs-l mailing list<br>> >>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> Labs-l mailing list<br>> >>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>><br>> >>> _______________________________________________<br>> >>> Labs-l mailing list<br>> >>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> >>><br>> >> _______________________________________________<br>> >> Labs-l mailing list<br>> >> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> >> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> ><br>> ><br>> ><br>> > _______________________________________________<br>> > Labs-l mailing list<br>> > Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> > https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Labs-l mailing list<br>> Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br>> https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br></div> </div></body>
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