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<br class=""><div><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On May 17, 2015, at 14:39, Petr Bena <<a href="mailto:benapetr@gmail.com" class="">benapetr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">Proper bots survive outages though, check wm-bot's uptime.<br class=""><br class="">On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:39 PM, Petr Bena <<a href="mailto:benapetr@gmail.com" class="">benapetr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Because it's labs :P<br class=""><br class="">On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:17 PM, Maximilian Doerr<br class=""><<a href="mailto:maximilian.doerr@gmail.com" class="">maximilian.doerr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Why is labs constantly failing. My bots keep dying! WAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH!! :p<br class=""><br class="">Cyberpower678<br class="">English Wikipedia Account Creation Team<br class="">Mailing List Moderator<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">On May 17, 2015, at 14:10, Petr Bena <<a href="mailto:benapetr@gmail.com" class="">benapetr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Note: my previous mail was not intended to Gerard, but all people who<br class="">complains about this :)<br class=""><br class="">Also tool-labs may be a little exception here, high availability is<br class="">expected there but this tool was hosted somewhere else though.<br class=""><br class="">On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Petr Bena <<a href="mailto:benapetr@gmail.com" class="">benapetr@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">I agree with Ryan on this, if it's production stuff it shouldn't run<br class="">on labs unless you are OK with outages. There is number of things that<br class="">are more or less considered production, like wm-bot or huggle's<br class="">components, but none of them are critical and it's not a big deal to<br class="">have occasional outage. If your service must be 24/7 it should be on<br class="">production servers and operation team needs to be trained how to<br class="">operate it to ensure high availability. If you fail to do that, you<br class="">can't blame labs people, just yourself.<br class=""><br class="">On Sun, May 17, 2015 at 9:53 AM, Gerard Meijssen<br class=""><<a href="mailto:gerard.meijssen@gmail.com" class="">gerard.meijssen@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Hoi,<br class="">Saying a similar service is not recognising the FACT that production grade<br class="">services are running on Labs. They are. Stating that something similar is<br class="">worked on does NOT mean that it will indeed replace what is in FACT used in<br class="">a production manner. Because that means that it is a development criteria to<br class="">actually replace the functionality itself.<br class=""><br class="">I do solute the Labs people in that they have improved the stability of WDQ<br class="">a lot. They did puppetise the services needed for running many of the tools,<br class="">they made additional memory available and they collaborated with Magnus on<br class="">making the services more robust.<br class=""><br class="">However, functionality in the pipeline is not what is being used and,<br class="">theories of what production means is not really what you can observe. They<br class="">are theories and as such not reliable.<br class="">Thanks,<br class=""> GerardM<br class=""><br class="">On 17 May 2015 at 08:23, Tim Landscheidt <<a href="mailto:tim@tim-landscheidt.de" class="">tim@tim-landscheidt.de</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">Ryan Lane <<a href="mailto:rlane32@gmail.com" class="">rlane32@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">[WDQ]<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">If it's production-ish, it should likely either be moved to production<br class="">or<br class="">you should put a bit of effort into making it work across multiple<br class="">instances. The ideal goal is for services to be stateless, with their<br class="">state<br class="">living in databases that are also split across instances. It's best to<br class="">have<br class="">the service config managed (ideally puppetized since it's what wikimedia<br class="">uses) so that a loss of an instance is only a brief inconvenience.<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">There are efforts to deploy a similar service with<br class=""><a href="https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing" class="">https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Wikibase/Indexing</a> (Phabrica-<br class="">tor project at<br class=""><a href="https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikidata-query-service/" class="">https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/tag/wikidata-query-service/</a>).<br class=""><br class="">Tim<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Labs-l mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org" class="">Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br class="">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Labs-l mailing list<br class="">Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br class="">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Labs-l mailing list<br class="">Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br class="">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br class=""><br class=""><br class=""><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Labs-l mailing list<br class="">Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org<br class="">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br class=""><br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">Labs-l mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org" class="">Labs-l@lists.wikimedia.org</a><br class="">https://lists.wikimedia.org/mailman/listinfo/labs-l<br class=""></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>