[Labs-l] Wikimedia labs-tools

[Magnus Manske]

There was a recent mail saying that Labs is not considered "production"
stability. Mainly a disagreement about how many 9s in the 99.99999% that
represents.


On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Petr Bena <benapetr at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> can you please explain to me from where is this information:
>
> "According to the people in charge of labs they dont care about
> ensuring stability and that if stuff breaks Oh well well get to it
> when we can. They say that tools is not a production service so we
> really don't give a <>, if it breaks it breaks"
>
> If I can speak for myself as a volunteer sysadmin of tool labs, I do
> care if tool labs are stable or if they break, it's just that for many
> of the outages I just can't do anything but sit and wait for someone
> with access to servers which cause troubles (which are typically
> outside of tool labs, like nfs storage or mysql replicas)
>
> I can't speak for others though, but I doubt that anyone who is really
> "in charge" told you they don't care about stability. Or at least I
> hope so :-)
>
> On Wed, Sep 11, 2013 at 4:50 PM, John <phoenixoverride at gmail.com> wrote:
> > tools.wmflabs.org is supposed to be the replacement for the toolserver
> which
> > the wmf is basically forcefully shutting down. I started the migration
> > several months ago but got fed up with the difficulties and stopped. In
> the
> > last month I have moved most of my tools to labs, and I have discovered
> that
> > there are some serious issues that need addressed.
> >
> > The toolserver was a fairly stable environment. I checked my primary
> host I
> > connect to and it has been up for 4 months with continuous operations.
> >
> > tools however is being treated like the red-headed step child. According
> to
> > the people in charge of labs they dont care about ensuring stability and
> > that if stuff breaks Oh well well get to it when we can. They say that
> tools
> > is not a production service so we really don't give a <>, if it breaks it
> > breaks, we will fix it when we can but since its not production its not a
> > priority.
> >
> > One good example of this is that a tool cannot connect to
> tools.wmflabs.org
> > due to a host configuration issue. This is a known bug, we have a way of
> > fixing it, but its still not implemented
> >
> > Given that tools is replacing the toolserver I would expect at worst
> labs is
> > just as good, however what I am seeing and hearing is that the wmf is
> > throwing away one of their best assets, and driving away a lot of
> developers
> > due to the management of tools.
> >
> > I do want to give Coren credit as he is doing what he can to support the
> > migration.
> >
> > My question is why has the wmf decided to degrade the environment where
> tool
> > developers design and host tools (quite a few of them are long term
> stable
> > projects)? and what can we do to remedy this?
> >
> > John
> >
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