[Labs-l] List of packages that are supported by tool labs

[Petr Bena]

If we don't make such a list, we will end up having multiple tickets,
that will never start coming with requests to install same packages

On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:39 PM, Petr Bena <benapetr at gmail.com> wrote:
> I am not talking about "list of installed packages" I am talking about
> "list of packages that were already requested by other users, are in
> puppet and guaranteed to be present, so that you don't need to bother
> us with requesting them again, because they were already requested and
> are installed"
>
> On Thu, Nov 7, 2013 at 4:35 PM, Marc A. Pelletier <marc at uberbox.org> wrote:
>> On 11/07/2013 10:26 AM, Petr Bena wrote:
>>> From what Tim said, it seems that I should fill in a bug report for
>>> every single package no matter if it's already in puppet or not,
>>> because there is clearly no simple way for me to verify that.
>>
>> Yes, you should, because otherwise you're relying on implicit
>> dependencies, which is iffy at best.  If you have a tool that needs
>> libfoo-perl, then you need to make sure libfoo-perl is puppetized and
>> not rely on the fact that foobar-tools happens to have it as a
>> dependency and it got installed as a consequence.
>>
>> OTOH, never request installation of dependencies of things you depend
>> on; rely on apt to work those out itself.
>>
>> In other words, if your tool invokes 'gizmo' from the package 'gizmo',
>> list *that* as a dependency, and not the 'libgizmo' it depends on in
>> turn - you never know when gizmo will switch to libwidget instead.
>>
>> This is why making or comparing a "list of installed packages" is
>> exactly the wrong way to go about things -- there might be things
>> leftover on nodes from previous versions, or things that were installed
>> but then never removed (changes in puppet, in general, do not purge
>> packages no longer explicitly installed).
>>
>> -- Marc
>>
>>
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