[Gendergap] the state of civility on en.wiki

[Fiona Apps]

I hate to be overly simplistic but I find in these circumstances that IAR
applies. 

 

Just be courteous to all users involved, even those accused of incivility,
and use the Socratic method. Question them about their actions in a way that
suggests that you are not taking sides (which as an uninvolved administrator
or editor should probably be the case anyway) and ask them about their
assessment of the suitability of their behaviour. Usually when confronted
with having to do a self-assessment most will agree to at least back off
from the situation to get some head-space. Having a self-imposed break is
much simpler and produces much better outcomes than having an
administrator-enforced one. 

 

I know that's a highly interpretive way of looking at things but if we
over-think these things and try and put human nature into categories (not
that Risker didn't do a damn fine job there) we'll just end up where we are
now; constrained by policy and unable to tackle the reality of the
situation.

 

Anyway, that's just my two cents. Feel free to shoot me for it. 

 

From: gendergap-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org
[mailto:gendergap-bounces at lists.wikimedia.org] On Behalf Of Risker
Sent: 28 October 2011 22:26
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] the state of civility on en.wiki

 


There are a lot of challenges in being able to develop a consistent process
of managing user behaviour.  Here are just a few that I've noticed over the
years:

 

*	User acting entirely within editing policy, although usually at the
"bolder" end of the spectrum, being accused of behaving extremely
inappropriately, often with the words "civility" and/or "courtesy" thrown
in. 
*	Users relying on one editing policy to edit content in a way that
could reasonably be predicted to arouse dissent, and then accusing other
editors of "failing to follow policy" because they point to a different
policy. 
*	Two or more users starting off with minor barbs (usually starting
with allegations of policy/guideline violations and becoming increasingly
personal), continued escalation over the course of several posts, then only
one/a few of the involved users getting warned/blocked for "incivility".
This one is particularly insidious, as it has the reasonably predictable
effect of creating significant resentment on the part of those blocked (the
now-sullied block log tends to be used as a club) whilst also appearing to
support the behaviour of the non-blocked participants.  Both groups tend to
feel the action justifies them continuing to follow the same behavioural
pattern. 
*	Long observation of wiki-history indicates that systemic problems
are rarely acknowledged, let alone acted upon, by the community unless one
or a small group of editors exceeds usual behavioural norms to focus
attention on the issue. To put it bluntly, it takes a lot of noise to get
the community's attention on systemic issues long enough to address them,
even partially.  This method has variable success, ranging from serious
community discussions and policy/practice changes through blocking or
otherwise sanctioning the users who raise the issues.  If not done well, the
attempt at problem resolution devolves into discussions about the
appropriateness of the initiator's behaviour rather than the underlying
problem.  Initiators are regularly referred to as "uncivil".  
*	The use of the term "collegial" to describe the editing milieu.
Anyone who has spent much time in the academe will recognize a lot of the
"problem" behaviours we see on our own project, particularly personalization
of disputes, which is one of the major elements leading to the perception of
incivility.  Indeed, some of our most significant problem areas involve
editors with academic credentials behaving pretty much within the norms for
their profession, i.e., pretty unpleasantly toward those who don't agree
with their educated opinions. 

In other words, as a community we create a climate where poor behaviour is
the most effective means to motivate needed changes, where our policies and
practices can be used as weapons both to support negative behaviour and also
to "punish" positive behaviour, where the boundaries of unacceptable
behaviour vary widely dependent on a large number of factors and enforcement
is extraordinarily inconsistent, and where we openly claim to follow a
behavioural model that *sounds* progressive but is in reality possibly even
more nasty than our own.  

On reading far, far back into archives, it appears that "incivility" has
been a problem almost since the inception of the project.  In the early days
of the project, blocks and bans were almost non-existent, and huge amounts
of time were invested in trying to "correct" behaviour (considerably more
per capita than today, the community cuts its losses much earlier now than
in 2002-04). In fact, blocks and  bans were very rare until the arrival of
extensive trolling and vandalism in 2005-06, which led to the appointment of
a massive number of administrators in 2006-07 in order to address these
problems.  

None of this speaks to solutions, I know.  But it is important to put the
discussion into a more historical context, and to recognize the flashpoints
where incivility is often identified.  

Risker/Anne  


 

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