[Gendergap] washington dc

Fri Oct 7 16:08:21 UTC 2011

On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 12:03 PM, Sydney Poore <sydney.poore at gmail.com>wrote:

> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Risker <risker.wp at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I am saying that you are questioning the decision of an independent body
>> to select a person for membership in the same way that he questioned the WMF
>> for selecting a person he did not consider appropriate. In short, he sought
>> a non-project sanction for on-project activities/concerns. I do not see a
>> difference between that behaviour, and members of this list seeking a
>> non-project sanction (i.e., removing someone from a chapter Board of
>> Directors) for on-project activities/concerns, particularly when the
>> on-project concern was....well, doing exactly what seems to be proposed
>> here.
>
>

<my comment that mixed with Risker's>I agree that we need to be sensitive in
>> general about how we discuss these  type of issues on a public mailing list.
>> And in this case since one party to the case is an active participate to
>> this mailing list, we need to take extra caution that we are not only
>> hearing one side of the story.
>>
>
> That said, I don't think that it is actually a parallel comparison. We
> don't want users escalating disputes by calling employers because it can
> have loads of negative repercussions for Wikipedia as well as the person who
> is reported. But I see no reason that users shouldn't take into
> consideration whether they support having someone who has been banned on one
> WMF project in a position of trust in a WMF related organization or another
> wiki. ArbCom does the same type of thing when it vets users for positions of
> trust such as checkuser. People take into account an users past history when
> they vote for steward or WMF Board members. So, I don't have a problem with
> someone raising a concern about it in this situation.
>
> Sydney Poore
> User:FloNight
>
>>
>> Wikimedia chapters are not beholden to one specific project. There are
>> hundreds of people banned or blocked on one WMF project who are active,
>> respected members of other projects;  in fact, even on English Wikipedia,
>> appropriate and valued work in another WMF project or area is usually
>> considered a mitigating factor when a user requests review of a sanction.
>>
>> (For the record, I am a member of the Arbitration Committee that voted to
>> ban the user in question, and did support a ban.)
>>
>> Risker/Anne
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 7 October 2011 11:22, Sandra <sandratordonez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I dont understand what ur trying to express. Can u possibly clarify.
>>>
>>> Are you saying that this person should be allowed to represent the
>>> community in an official capacity even though he has been recently banned
>>> for inappropriate behavior and breaking community guidelines?
>>>
>>> I just want to make sure that im understanding your point of view
>>> correctly.
>>>
>>> On Oct 7, 2011, at 10:50 AM, Risker <risker.wp at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I would recommend considerable caution in discussing this issue on this
>>> mailing list. One of the key "harassment" issues was that the now-banned
>>> user attempted to contact the WMF about another user whom he believed to
>>> beemployed by the WMF under some form of grant or contract. It raises an
>>> interesting question that some here would think it appropriate to try to
>>> affect that person's position in a Wikimedia chapter because of the English
>>> Wikipedia ban; it is parallel to the situation for which the user was banned
>>> in the first place.
>>>
>>> At least one other party under conditional sanctions in the same case is
>>> an active and respected member of this mailing list, and I can respect that
>>> it would be difficult for that individual to have this matter dissected
>>> here. Please proceed with caution.
>>>
>>>
>>> Risker/Anne
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 October 2011 09:55, Sandra ordonez < <sandratordonez at gmail.com>
>>> sandratordonez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Currently banned and I think it wasn't that long ago.
>>>>
>>>> lets wait till aude responds to see if there is a way this list can
>>>> help.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 9:47 AM, Michael J. Lowrey <<orangemike at gmail.com>
>>>> orangemike at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Oct 7, 2011 at 6:49 AM, Sandra ordonez <<sandratordonez at gmail.com>
>>>>> sandratordonez at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> > Essentially, that someone has gotten a leadership position in the
>>>>> D.C.
>>>>> > chapter who has been banned from editing Wikipedia for year for
>>>>> things like
>>>>> > harassing people, disruptive behavior, and editing problems like
>>>>> copyright
>>>>> > violations.
>>>>>
>>>>> Banned in the past, and done their time; or currently banned? I've
>>>>> worked with ex-cons in the past.
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Michael J. "Orange Mike" Lowrey
>>>>>
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>>>>> and clothes."
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