[Gendergap] Proposal: Forking gendergap: Main list for women and transgender, sublist for male supporters

[carolmooredc at verizon.net]

Just to clarify, I think the list should remain mixed sex.

But it is a problem when on a list dedicated to getting more women 
involved, men post two to four times as much as women (depending on the 
week), with some men posting a couple times a day. It can feel like the 
"same old same old" - especially if the men are disagreeing a lot with 
what women say.  Plus women often do need more encouragement to post.

George definitely could post a bit more; and some male posters should 
try to keep it down to one a day or five a week.  I've been on lists of 
Palestinians and of African-Americans where they were working on their 
issues and I was always careful to just add info of general interest and 
occasional positive suggestions -- and not to post too much or be 
critical of their views since I felt they should work it out among 
themselves.

Since most - not all - wikipedia issues are common to men and women, 
more might be expected of guys here. But not as much as seems to come 
through the list now.

On 3/16/2011 8:42 AM, Marc Riddell wrote:
> This is simply, nonsense! Don't you people realize that separating this List
> into two distinct ones would underline, reinforce and actually signify the
> very "gendergap" you are allegedly trying to resolve. This is people talking
> with people. If there is a female or male here who has a problem
> communicating with, or in the presence of, another gender - they do have a
> problem. But a website Mailing List such as this is not the place to resolve
> it.
>
> Marc Riddell
>
>
> on 3/15/11 11:53 PM, carolmooredc at verizon.net at carolmooredc at verizon.net
> wrote:
>
>> Yeah, George! A definite role model for the list; but with such a common
>> sense attitude, you should feel free to post a tiny bit more :-)
>>
>> On 3/14/2011 8:33 PM, George Herbert wrote:
>>> I realize that my replying is in a sense violating what I'm about to
>>> say below, but...
>>>
>>> I and some others who are male are here and either listening, or
>>> listening and briefly asking what the women present (and absent) feel
>>> about things and not asserting what you do or should think.
>>>
>>> I would appreciate not being locked out of part of the discussion.  I
>>> appreciate that doing so necessarily means I should be minimizing my
>>> speaking out, and maximizing my listening, and I hope I've done so
>>> successfully.
>>>
>>> That said, if the dynamics here overall have created a list which is
>>> not optimal for encouraging women to participate, which I can clearly
>>> see is possible, I understand your wanting to do something about it.
>>> Two lists as proposed might be necessary.
>>>
>>> If this has happened on the list designed to talk about and fix the
>>> problem of that happening...  *bang head on the wall*   Talk about
>>> frustrating.  We're supposed to be the "good guys", literally 8-(
>>>
>>>
>>> My two cents, and I will now go back to listening.
>>>
>>>
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