[Gendergap] Gendergap Digest, Vol 1, Issue 48

Thu Feb 10 10:37:05 UTC 2011

Hi!. First, I  apologize for my English .. I do not use it very much and have it "rusty" XD.

IMHO, we need more information to analyze correctly the matter, since 
the case of the women is not the same in the USA that in the old Europe 
or in the emergent countries. I think perhaps a worldwide estatistic, 
made by  a specialized enterprise,  was helping us to have a more wide 
vision.

Every Chapter can to take charge doing a questionnaire with the 
questions most adapted to his social reality and giving it  to the 
Statistics enterprise.

They are only ideas..

--- El jue, 10/2/11, gendergap-request en lists.wikimedia.org <gendergap-request en lists.wikimedia.org> escribió:

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Asunto: Gendergap Digest, Vol 1, Issue 48
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Fecha: jueves, 10 de febrero, 2011 00:27

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: [Gendergap : A suggestion: Towards 100.000 F.    articles in
      Wikipedia (patricia morales)
   2. Re: [Gendergap : A suggestion: Towards 100.000 F. articles in
      Wikipedia (Oliver Keyes)
   3. Re: Mailing list code of conduct (phoebe ayers)
   4. Re: Women Post month (SlimVirgin)
   5. Fwd: Gender preference (Brandon Harris)
   6. Re: Fwd: Gender preference (Oliver Keyes)
   7. Re: Fwd: Gender preference (Steven Walling)

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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 13:57:44 -0800 (PST)
From: patricia morales <mariadelcarmenpatricia en yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Gendergap : A suggestion: Towards 100.000 F.
    articles in Wikipedia
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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Everyone is very welcome!I would like to explain what I trying to say. The idea was only to emphasise the participatory role of women in this process.?There are several historical gaps (black people, women, young people, "underdeveloped" countries, ea.) and suddenly people want to solve them, and at the same time exclude the group to be benefited in the process.
Patricia
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From: ChaoticFluffy <chaoticfluffy en gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Gendergap : A suggestion: Towards 100.000 F. articles in Wikipedia
To: "Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects" <gendergap en lists.wikimedia.org>
Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 1:43 PM

I agree with Oliver - a female-friendly space need not, and should not, be a space with no males allowed. It should simply be one with everyone behaving in a manner friendly to females, and there's nothing in that that says at least some men are unwilling or unable to do that. If we start gating off areas of the wiki, we're not doing women any favors.

-Karen

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 4:29 PM, Oliver Keyes <scire.facias en gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:26 PM, patricia morales <mariadelcarmenpatricia en yahoo.com> wrote:

It seems very interesting to create a female-friend space for overcoming gradually the gendergap. Some women would like to participate suggesting new topics, their interests (for example more articles on the women?s role in the African microeconomy, or female Nobel Awards, etc). They can provide some opinions or suggestions on the undercovered male-oriented use of language in articles or pictures of Wikipedia, etc.

I believe that the leadership of this process has to be in various female hands, taking solidarity as a major principle. When we take a look at history, we can see that women primarily avoid the use of violence and war. Matriarcal peoples or ctonic religions (where there is an identification between the Earth and the woman) are interesting examples.

The thing that worries me about this suggestion is that it's effectively sectioning off and segregating a portion of wikipedia's community. Solidarity is all well and good, but if the idea is to encourage more women to get involved in the community, the answer can't be to disect that community. 

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 22:02:42 +0000
From: Oliver Keyes <scire.facias en gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] [Gendergap : A suggestion: Towards 100.000 F.
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 9:57 PM, patricia morales <
mariadelcarmenpatricia en yahoo.com> wrote:

> Everyone is very welcome!
> I would like to explain what I trying to say. The idea was only to
> emphasise the participatory role of women in this process.
> There are several historical gaps (black people, women, young people,
> "underdeveloped" countries, ea.) and suddenly people want to solve them, and
> at the same time exclude the group to be benefited in the process.
>
> Patricia
>
> I don't think anyone was suggesting excluding the benefited group (nor,
really, is there any evidence *young people* is an area we lack contribution
from :P). At no point was saying "women can't get involved in this process"
discussed - that'd be counterproductive. Your idea of having dedicated
female-friendly areas seems contradictory. 1) it segregates the community,
2) if the main community isn't female-friendly, we should be tackling that,
not trying to shield people from the issues and 3) if the main community
isn't female friendly, bringing potential female editors into a
"female-friendly" niche environment and then dropping them in the main
community seems rather akin to the story of itsy-bitsy spider and his
waterspout.
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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 14:03:39 -0800
From: phoebe ayers <phoebe.wiki en gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Mailing list code of conduct
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Erik Moeller <erik en wikimedia.org> wrote:
> I've proposed some very common sense code of conduct principles here:
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Gender_Gap#Mailing_list
>
> This list is getting lots of participation so I think it's a good time
> to agree on some basic behavioral principles. If you have things to
> add, please add them, if you want to discuss, please use the
> discussion page.
>
> Thanks!
> Erik

Thanks Erik! All common-sense guidelines for sure.

Maybe we need a special rule for this mailing list: after every five
posts you have to take a break, step away, and try to convince a woman
you know that they should be contributing to Wikipedia. After they
make their first edit, come back to the mailing list... :)

-- phoebe

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 16:18:11 -0600
From: SlimVirgin <slimvirgin en gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Women Post month
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 15:50, Sarah Stierch <sarah en sarahstierch.com> wrote:
> I think August would be great - it is the month that we gained the right to
> vote in the states!? (And it happened on my birthday ;-) ... [snip]

> Logo wise it'd be really cool to do something that is a play on the
> Wikipedia logo perhaps - maybe faces of historically notable women (from now
> and then) on the puzzle pieces. Just an idea..
>
These are great ideas, Sarah. You're right about March. Let's not rush it.

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 09 Feb 2011 14:21:50 -0800
From: Brandon Harris <bharris en wikimedia.org>
Subject: [Gendergap] Fwd: Gender preference
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    As mentioned earlier, we have the gender preference data.  I asked for 
a report, and, well, ask and ye shall receive.

    It should be noted that this data could be misleading; it is only 
representative of people who have elected to self-identify.  However, I 
think it may be a useful point for extrapolation.

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Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Gender preference
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:18:44 +0100
From: DaB. <WP en daniel.baur4.info>
Reply-To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l en lists.wikimedia.org>
To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l en lists.wikimedia.org>

Hello,
Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 22:38:20 schrieb Brandon Harris:
>  Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
> little data to work with on the gender gap list?

sure. I asked the toolserver-database:

en.wikipedia:
Male: 233312
Femaile: 46973
All user: 13959842

de.wikipedia:
Male: 35726
Female: 4800
All user: 1167708

fr.wikipedia:
Male: 18556
Female: 3054
All user: 998668

commons:
Male: 27980
Female: 5070
All user: 1464442

Say if you need more data.

Sincerly,
DaB.

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Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:21:49 +0000
From: Oliver Keyes <scire.facias en gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Gender preference
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On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 10:21 PM, Brandon Harris <bharris en wikimedia.org>wrote:

>
>        As mentioned earlier, we have the gender preference data.  I asked
> for a report, and, well, ask and ye shall receive.
>
>        It should be noted that this data could be misleading; it is only
> representative of people who have elected to self-identify.  However, I
> think it may be a useful point for extrapolation.
>
>
> So, depressingly, it looks like en-wiki is actually doing the best! :P. Any
chance we could have that broken into percentages?
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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 15:27:29 -0800
From: Steven Walling <swalling en wikimedia.org>
Subject: Re: [Gendergap] Fwd: Gender preference
To: Increasing female participation in Wikimedia projects
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On Feb 9, 2011, at 2:21 PM, Brandon Harris wrote:

> 
>     As mentioned earlier, we have the gender preference data.  I asked for a report, and, well, ask and ye shall receive.
> 
>     It should be noted that this data could be misleading; it is only representative of people who have elected to self-identify.  However, I think it may be a useful point for extrapolation.
> 
> 
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [Wikitech-l] Fwd: Gender preference
> Date: Wed, 9 Feb 2011 23:18:44 +0100
> From: DaB. <WP en daniel.baur4.info>
> Reply-To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l en lists.wikimedia.org>
> To: Wikimedia developers <wikitech-l en lists.wikimedia.org>
> 
> Hello,
> Am Mittwoch 09 Februar 2011, 22:38:20 schrieb Brandon Harris:
>> Is it possible to get a single aggregate report, just so that we have a
>> little data to work with on the gender gap list?
> 
> sure. I asked the toolserver-database:
> 
> en.wikipedia:
> Male: 233312
> Femaile: 46973
> All user: 13959842
> 
> de.wikipedia:
> Male: 35726
> Female: 4800
> All user: 1167708
> 
> fr.wikipedia:
> Male: 18556
> Female: 3054
> All user: 998668
> 
> commons:
> Male: 27980
> Female: 5070
> All user: 1464442
> 
> Say if you need more data.
> 
> Sincerly,
> DaB.
> 
> 
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More forwarded from Foundation-l:

sr.wikipedia:
Male:  1666
Femaile: 414
All user: 78180

ru.wikipedia:
Male: 80491
Femaile: 23750
All user: 620393

pl.wikipedia:
Male: 12106
Femaile: 2999
All user: 414511

nl.wikipedia:
Male: 8977
Femaile: 1781
All user: 368815

Steven Walling
Fellow at the Wikimedia Foundation
wikimediafoundation.org

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