[Foundation-l] Movement roles letter, Feb 2012

Wed Feb 15 18:01:05 UTC 2012

On 15 feb. 2012, at 18:54, Béria Lima wrote:

> Jan for the million time: Give me the parameters and we can discuss. I will
> not put my faith in another
> "great-and-solver-of-all-Wikimedians-problems-but-not-yet-funded" Committe.

Ok, in that case, just wait until we have all solved this without you...

> 
> When you have a clear way to choose people for this FDC, a clear way of how
> it will going to work and most important: How much real power they will
> have we can talk.

Ok, it might be too late for you to influence it at that point

> 
> Until there, is just you and me talking about philosophical situations. We
> can spend all day here, but isn't going to come to any result until we have
> the data.

Lets all come up with the best solution, we will refine it over de coming years and send you the data around 2015 :)

> 
> ... And quite frankly I have too much thing to do to engage in any
> meaningless talk.
> _____

I hate to say this: but you are doing quite well on the meaningless talk... (counting all your contributions to this topic on both internal and foundation). 

Yes: I am being confrontational (which I almost never am). EIther help think of something that will make this work or stop repeating that it will never work (because I get it, I really heard you the first X times)

Jan-Bart

> *Béria Lima*
> *
> Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter livre
> acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a construir
> esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
> 
> 
> On 15 February 2012 15:34, Jan-bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org>wrote:
> 
>> this would be called: too much drama
>> 
>> There is no life and death situation for "the chapters here". See my
>> earlier mails for ways of getting to a sustainable organization...
>> 
>> Secondly: When faced with a  life or death situation, most people try to
>> trick death and stay alive.. most don't repeat: "I am going to die" for
>> weeks on end.
>> 
>> In short: Come up with conditions that can make this work for you, try to
>> think in opportunities rather that not think at all.
>> 
>> Jan-Bart
>> 
>> 
>> On 15 feb. 2012, at 14:47, Béria Lima wrote:
>> 
>>> Serious that you can't see the good side in ask the chapters, Bishakha?
>>> You're after all deciding their lifes or death, can't we at least choose
>>> the way we are going to die?
>>> _____
>>> *Béria Lima*
>>> 
>>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>>> construir esse sonho. <http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 15 February 2012 05:30, Bishakha Datta <bishakhadatta at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, Feb 14, 2012 at 7:18 PM, Ziko van Dijk <vandijk at wmnederland.nl
>>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> 2012/2/14 Jan-Bart de Vreede <jdevreede at wikimedia.org>:
>>>>>> It is clear to me that there is a close link between the
>>>>> fundraising/dissemination discussion and the increased options of
>>>>> "organising" ourselves. I am also convinced that we
>>>>> 
>>>>> Indeed, and it may not be a coincidence that these two letters came
>>>>> out more or less at the same time. :-) I find it good that the WMF
>>>>> board is taking up these discussions and opens them again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about asking the *official* opinion of the chapters, within a
>>>>> certain time frame (e.g. 1 or 2 months)?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Meaning? I continue to think it would be great if we had a wide range of
>>>> opinion on this - both from chapters and from others in the movement.
>>>> 
>>>> Because the MR process has gone on for so long, I'm personally
>> sceptical of
>>>> extending the deadline. (I'm not convinced we will actually get more
>>>> discussion with more time - that has not necessarily been the history
>> of MR
>>>> since 2010 July, when it began.
>>>> 
>>>> So at this moment, I'm leaning towards a one-month focused period of
>>>> discussion.
>>>> 
>>>> Best
>>>> Bishakha
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> Then we would have a more
>>>>> substantial and reliable feedback, compared to the mails on a
>>>>> mailinglist or talk page comments, all done by people as individuals.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Kind regards
>>>>> Ziko
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> 
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
>>>>> Vereniging Wikimedia Nederland
>>>>> dr. Ziko van Dijk, voorzitter
>>>>> http://wmnederland.nl/
>>>>> -----------------------------------------------------------
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