[Foundation-l] 86% of german users disagree with the introduction of the personal image filter

[Tobias Oelgarte]

You miss the point that German contributers are bound to German law. 
They have to play along the German- or DACH (German, Austria, 
Switzerland) law, if they don't want to be in personal trouble. Since we 
don't want the provider, the WMF, to be in trouble we also comply to 
US-law as well. Thats why we are bound to comply to both sets laws.

For instance we can't rely on fair use, since there is no fair use in 
Germany. We have exceptions for press (we aren't) and for educational 
purpose (we might be, but not always). Additionally the project decided 
to enforce free content over content with very tight rational.

Am 16.09.2011 20:04, schrieb Ryan Kaldari:
> Since when is the German Wikipedia under the domain of German
> jurisdiction? The German Wikipedia is an international project hosted in
> the United States. Am I missing something here?
>
> Ryan Kaldari
>
> On 9/16/11 3:48 AM, Tobias Oelgarte wrote:
>> That is an legal issue. We do that to comply with the law, since that
>> image isn't in public domain under German jurisdiction. This has nothing
>> to do with hiding perfectly legal content. Additionally an optional
>> filter would not help to make it legal. Filter or no filter wouldn't
>> change a thing.
>>
>> Two different topics, one wrong assumption.
>>
>> Tobias
>>
>> Am 16.09.2011 12:39, schrieb emijrp:
>>> Hi all;
>>>
>>> There are more issues with images in German Wikipedia.
>>>
>>> It is funny how German Wikipedia doesn't allow images[1] (image added by
>>> me[2] in de:, and later removed by other[3]) because they follow the most
>>> restrictive copyright law from Germany, Austria and Switzerland[note 1], but
>>> they are now against giving people the choice to hide images.
>>>
>>> I think that we can do a nice move here. We can enable image filter in
>>> German Wikipedia for all those who don't want to see
>>> copyrighted-images-for-German-law, meanwhile allowing other people to see
>>> all Commons splendour. Using the image filter to improve the rights of
>>> readers of German Wikipedia. Very cool, right? ; )
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> emijrp
>>>
>>> [1]
>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Bildrechte#Wikipedia_richtet_sich_nach_DACH-Recht
>>> [2] http://de.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Alexander_Knox&oldid=81377280
>>> [3] http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Knox
>>>
>>> [note 1] I heard there are German speaking users outside Europe, right? I
>>> heard too that, from Germany, you can follow interwiki and see that images
>>> in other Wikipedias, right? So, what is the sense of that policy? Are not
>>> the servers in USA?
>>>
>>> 2011/9/16 Tobias Oelgarte<tobias.oelgarte at googlemail.com>
>>>
>>>> Dear readers
>>>>
>>>> Yesterday, on September 15th 2011, the German Wikipedia closed the poll
>>>> (Meinungsbild) "Einführung persönlicher Bildfilter". [1] It asked the
>>>> question if the personal image filter can be introduced or if it should
>>>> not be introduced.
>>>>
>>>> A strong majority of 86% percent voted to not allow the personal image
>>>> filter [2] , despite the fact that the board already decided to
>>>> introduce the feature.
>>>>
>>>> The questions are:
>>>> * Will the board or the WMF proceed with the introduction of the
>>>> personal image filter against the will of it's second largest community?
>>>> * If the WMF/board does not care about the first question. Will it
>>>> affect the way the personal image filter will be implemented? For
>>>> example: Not for all projects. A different implementation as suggested
>>>> inside the "image filter referendum".
>>>> * Will there be an attempt to follow this example and to question other
>>>> communities the same question?
>>>>
>>>> Greetings from
>>>> Tobias Oelgarte
>>>>
>>>> [1]
>>>>
>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter
>>>> [2]
>>>>
>>>> http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Meinungsbilder/Einf%C3%BChrung_pers%C3%B6nlicher_Bildfilter#Auswertung
>>>>
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