[Foundation-l] WMF is planning to install a video player that harms creator attribution and ties between Wikipedia and Commons

Tue Oct 11 20:55:42 UTC 2011

Here, in Spain, we are talking about Wikidocumentals. I.e, documentals
about  wikipedia articles.

It will be easy: upload video cuts, and then all the GFDL work will fall
upon production work, you know: voice, dubbing, visual effects... mashup...
It's the same way to make a BBC documental about WWII. I think it will be a
revolution. We are talking with professional schools because I think that
collaborative production will be a new paradigma. And Schools don't want to
make a commercial end-product,

They're just ideas.

2011/10/11 Michael Dale <mdale en wikimedia.org>

> Teofilo did open a bug, I tried to explain that the mwEmbed player
> gadget is not identical to the mwEmbed player in the extension. The
> Extension has a bit better handling of license i.e by default shows the
> credit page on menu click and on clip end. The extension also does a bit
> better job of parsing info templates.
>
> I agree that we could make licence info more predominate. There are
> constraints of player size make it difficult to translate page based
> templates into a the small player credit space. Keep in mind we don't
> have monolithic licence tags or 'real structured data' for wikimedia
> commons so its not trivial to translate licence info into different use
> contexts. It may be possible to leverage some of the recent licence
> template work, if anyone has suggestions on how to do that I am happy to
> apply it. We do prominently link to the asset description page on clip end.
>
> peace,
> michael
>
> On 10/11/2011 05:10 AM, Lodewijk wrote:
> > I assume that you, before sending this email to a mailing list that is
> not
> > exactly technical in nature, have submitted bug reports about this on
> > bugzilla so that the technical magicians can actually fix it? I'm
> confident
> > they would appreciate any constructive input.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > No dia 11 de Outubro de 2011 12:25, Teofilo <teofilowiki en gmail.com
> >escreveu:
> >
> >> I have learnt this morning that the "Timedmedia" extension "is not yet
> >> installed on wikimedia sites, but its meant to replace the existing
> >> player" (1).
> >>
> >> As I was uploading videos, and needed some specific tools, I happened
> >> the other day to use the mwEmbed gadget on Wikimedia Commons which
> >> seems to be a prefiguration of what the WMF plans to install
> >> everywhere on its sites. My experience as guinea pig of that
> >> experiment is negative:
> >>
> >> Clicking on the "i" option of the polar bear video inserted on commons
> >> village pump (2) produces the following screenshot:
> >>
> >>
> http://prototype.wikimedia.org/timedmedia/File:Screenshot_of_commons_village_pump.jpg
> >> (3). What the video viewer can read is "Credits: Title :
> >> File:PolarBearsPlayingSDZooFeb09.ogv Kaltura". This is not a proper
> >> way of providing author name (which should be Nehrams2020 ) and
> >> license (which should be Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0
> >> Unported license with a link). The "share" menu provides "< i frame
> >> src = " //
> >>
> commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:PolarBearsPlayingSDZooFeb09.ogv?withJS=MediaWiki:MwEmbed.js&embedplayer=yes
> >> "
> >> width="220" height="165" frameborder="0" >< /iframe > ". There is no
> >> "Attribution" code similar to the one you can find when clicking on
> >> "Use this file" on the photostock toolbar on the Commons description
> >> page (4). The small polar bear icon displayed in the "i" option of the
> >> "menu" is too small (it is only about 50x30px, while the standard
> >> "thumb" size is 220px!). Using the full 220px rectangle as a link is
> >> the way by which we tell readers/viewers that the Commons description
> >> page is an important page. Most users will not be aware that they may
> >> click on that 50x30px icon to find valuable information about the
> >> file. The File:PolarBearsPlayingSDZooFeb09.ogv text is in grey color.
> >> This is not the standard way to make the viewer aware that it is a
> >> clickable link. Usually, clickable links are blue. This video player
> >> is putting the Wikimedia commons description page 3 clicks away from
> >> Wikipedia instead of just one (you must click on "menu", then on "i"
> >> then on "File:PolarBearsPlayingSDZooFeb09.ogv"). If installed on
> >> Wikipedia, this gadget will not be an improvement, but a huge drawback
> >> for the quality of the relation between Wikipedia and Wikimedia
> >> Commons. Wikimedia Commons will be unknown from Wikipedia readers or
> >> seen as something far away. I guess a lot of people are going to
> >> believe that the person who deserves credit is the company named
> >> "Kaltura" instead of the real video creator. The "i" symbol is
> >> meaningless for people whose languages do not have the word
> >> "information" in their vocabularies. Even in English or in French
> >> "information" is vague and does not mean "credit" or "license" or
> >> "attribution". The efforts Wikimedia Commons has been doing on
> >> description pages (indicating the source of the file, provide a
> >> description, provide a date, provide categories to find related files,
> >> etc.) are put aside for the purpose of the promotion of the "Kaltura"
> >> brand name. And again a download link seems to be provided straight
> >> away from the "menu" even if the user has not made the effort to learn
> >> about the licensing conditions.
> >>
> >> (1) Michael Dale 2011-10-11 02:54:09 UTC
> >> https://bugzilla.wikimedia.org/show_bug.cgi?id=31583
> >> (2)
> >>
> http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Village_pump#mwEmbed_gadget:_Videos_no_longer_properly_linked_to_description_pages_by_clicking_on_the_thumbnail
> >> (3)
> >>
> http://prototype.wikimedia.org/timedmedia/File:Screenshot_of_commons_village_pump.jpg
> >> (4) screenshot of "use this file" toolbar tool:
> >>
> http://prototype.wikimedia.org/timedmedia/File:Use_this_file_screenshot.jpg
> >> ( the "stockphoto.js" toolbar)
> >>
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