[Foundation-l] Letter to the community on Controversial Content

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen cimonavaro at gmail.com
Tue Oct 11 08:53:04 UTC 2011

On Tue, Oct 11, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Ilario Valdelli <valdelli at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 10, 2011 at 2:00 PM, Julius Redzinski
> <julius.redzinski at hotmail.de> wrote:
>> On such a decision the Board should have before making any decision researched
>> really what raeders expect and want and this with empathy for different regions and
>> the understanding that germany maybe has different needs than the arabic room and
>> that a making them all the same is not a good idea, and not empathic at all. Before a
>> Board decision there would have been to be a poll that really ask the right questions,
>> not this fake thing with no impact at all. The way the Board acted on this and now not
>> even says "yes, we fucked it up, we take the decision back and start at point zero
>> again" is a shame for teh complete Wikimedia world and community.
>> Second last point: Give back to the editors the responsibility to amke the choice how the can
>> present their educational content to the readers. That is no Board decision. If a
>> community says we don't need the filter, then the Board doesn't know any better
>> about the needs and wishes of teh users of this project and shouldn't act into it
>> this way.
>> Last point: The Board should start fisrt thinking and then deciding. It would reduce much
>> the danger of splitting the communities an the Wikipedias. The Board seems a little
>> bit too american, first shooting by feeling threatend and then asking ... That is not
>> the way the Board should work. So act responsible and take back the decision
>> until a really good decision process would have been made through ...
>> Julius Redzinski (de:Julius1990)
> Please get one's breath and after answer me.
> Which community? German community? Do you think that German community
> represent all users? because you are opposing "the community" to the
> board, elected by the community.
> It means that this community is a little bit unstable because
> yesterday it elect a board and now it is fighting with it.
> de.wikipedia.org is used by a lot of persons of different cultures, so
> does it mean that the German community is taking a decision for all of
> these users?
> If the members of de.wikipedia.org are *unaffected by explicit sexual
> images* because there are already ahead as they practice bondage or
> BDSM, it doesn't mean that all person of the world are so evolute in
> sexual matters.
> What the poll of de.wikipedia.org means is that the use of the filter
> should not be applied "automatically" and the community needs to be
> consulted. In this case the survey should be addressed to all persons
> and not only to the German ones.
> After if de.wikipedia.org would impose to the world their decision, it
> seems to me logical that de.wikipedia.org will limit the use of their
> projects only to the countries where German language is spoken.
> to define them because German community is "the community") are
> assisting to this piece of theater. Please give us at least pop corns!
> Ilario

The huge gap here is between "what we can reasonably do" and
"we would like to do, but until hell freezes over, we don't really have
the means to accomplish" It isn't a  nice equation, but it is one we have
to live with.

Jussi-Ville Heiskanen, ~ [[User:Cimon Avaro]]

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