[Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust

[Achal Prabhala]

Hi Beria,

I'm sorry - I wrote this in a hurry and don't necessarily want to 
further crowd foundation-l.

The point about Goma is that he (and other Catalan Wikipedians) don't 
need to feel any more excluded than they already do 
(http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Wikimedia_CAT/en)

The point about me is superfluous. I guess I was reacting to the 
incredibly harsh tone of (most) of your messages. I apologise; there is 
no excuse for reproducing the kind of behaviour that makes me despair.

Achal


On Tuesday 15 November 2011 08:02 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
> Achal, I don't quite understand what is the idea, meaning or whatever you
> wrote in your mail.
>
> Can you explain (this time with full and meaningful sentences), please?
> _____
> *Béria Lima*
> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
> construir esse sonho.<http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>
>
> On 15 November 2011 14:19, Achal Prabhala<aprabhala at gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> Can we not pick on a person whose "POV" is that he wishes to participate
>> in the Wikimedia movement in the fullest way possible?
>>
>> Pick on me instead. Oh wait...
>>
>> Best wishes,
>> Achal
>>
>> On Tuesday 15 November 2011 07:40 PM, Béria Lima wrote:
>>> OMG Gomà, can´t you leave any thread in peace without push your POV?
>>> _____
>>> *Béria Lima*
>>> <http://wikimedia.pt/>(351) 925 171 484
>>>
>>> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
>>> livre acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. Ajude-nos a
>>> construir esse sonho.<http://wikimedia.pt/Donativos>*
>>>
>>>
>>> On 15 November 2011 09:37, Joan Goma<jrgoma at gmail.com>   wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2011 19:12:42 +0000
>>>>> From: B?ria Lima<berialima at gmail.com>
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Fwd: Wikimedia India Program Trust
>>>>>
>>>>> *The way I see is India is a land of immense potential for the
>> Wikimedia
>>>>>> Movement. IMHO, There is enough space of 10 chapters and Wikimedia
>>>>> offices
>>>>>> to co-exist and work together in India.*
>>>>>>
>>>>> Did you ever read the Chapter Agreement you signed with WMF? That
>>>> document
>>>>> states that WMIN is the ONLY chapter of WMF in India, and that any one
>>>>> organization must have their "approval" to work in Indian soil (I'm
>>>> saying
>>>>> that based in WMPT agreement, WMIN one might be different.)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> I think that the spirit of an agreement is more important than its
>> wording
>>>> but
>>>> I would like to comment both.
>>>>
>>>> Regarding the wording, in my opinion what the contract says can be
>>>> interpreted exactly the other way around. It says that to create another
>>>> chapter in the same geographical area WMIN will be consulted. [1] It
>>>> doesn’t say that the approval of WMIN is needed. Furthermore to create
>> an
>>>> organization different than chapters not even that consultation is
>>>> foreseen.
>>>>
>>>> As for the spirit I feel that the impression that chapters have private
>>>> ownership of land is a big mistake that can leads us to a situation
>>>> contrary to
>>>> our values. This exclusivity is contrary to the spirit of sharing. We
>> are
>>>> not cultivating potatoes where the owner of the land keeps the
>> potatoes. We
>>>> give the potatoes away. The more and better people working the land more
>>>> potatoes can give away. We don’t need land owners, what we need are
>>>> people working
>>>> the land.
>>>>
>>>> I think these organizations should be happy of having there each other
>>>> andsee
>>>> a chance that what one of them can’t do, perhaps will be done by the
>> other.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> http://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Agreement_between_chapters_and_Wikimedia_Foundation#3.%20Geographic_limits
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