[Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge

[Wjhonson]

Achal I was responding to Thomas not to you.
However yes, if you are quoting what an interviewee is saying, you should use quotation marks to offset their statements.
Or even use the blockquote markup for a lengthy quotation.

If you do something like decide that because three people said "King Makambo ruled from 800 to 840" that you can simply state this in an article and cite the video, I would suggest that is a decision not well-founded on our editing principles.

Citations to primary sources should, in my opinion, always use quotation marks.  And never fail to do so.






-----Original Message-----
From: Achal Prabhala <aprabhala at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge


Hallo, (responses inline)
On Wednesday 27 July 2011 11:57 PM, Wjhonson wrote:
 For actual quotations from sources, you should quote the source exactly.
 Then you will never be using original research.
I don't actually understand what this means. If you look at the articles 
reated: 
ttp://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Research:Oral_Citations#Articles.2F_Discussions_.28in_development.29
you can see exactly how the citations are used. In the articles, each 
tatement that can be attributed to a particular audio interview is 
ited to that audio interview. Do you mean also using quotes for actual 
ords in the text of the article itself?
> You are going the next step and summarizing and interpreting.  Don't do that.
Actually, no. We are not summarizing or interpreting, merely reporting 
he content of the cited audio interviews (and the accumulated reports, 
ometimes conflicting, gathered in the course of several audio 
nterviews) in exactly the same way one would do if the sources were 
ournal articles instead.
But if I haven't understood your questions correctly, please elaborate 
nd explain further.
Thanks,
chal
>




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 From: Thomas Morton<morton.thomas at googlemail.com>
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 Sent: Wed, Jul 27, 2011 11:19 am
 Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Oral Citations project: People are Knowledge


   All sources can be cited without falling afoul of "original research"
   Original research only covers claims without sources at all, or claims made
   from yourself as the source.
   Any source, including citing to a video interviews, is never original
   research.

   Ideally of course, yes. However it is quite hard to work with primary
 ources of this nature (i.e. ones that are not summarising a subject) and
 void interpretation (which is at the core of OR). It is perfectly possible
 o cite an iron clad reliable source and still end up doing original
 esearch :) It's just that the risk is greater with these forms of sources.

   I don't really get by the way, why this is considered revolutionary.
   These aren't "oral citations" in the standard sense, these are citations to
   a published video.

 eliability depends on a number of factors; for a video it depends on things
 ike the identity of the person speaking, the publishing body, etc.
 Raw footage of this sort is very much primary sourcing
 ith potential reliability problems.
 The key thing for reliable sources is the idea of *fact checking or peer
 eview*. This is why the very best sorts of sources are those published in
 espected scientific journals - because they have been reviewed for
 istakes, bias, etc.
 Ideally these videos would be published as a primary resource, interested
 arties would synthesise material and write papers (or give lectures, or
 ublish a book) - secondary sources - which could then be cited by tertiary
 ources, such as us :)
 Currently you would have to treat these videos with a modicum of care, under
 he usual guidelines for primary source material.
 Tom
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