[Foundation-l] Greg Kohs and Peter Damian

Sat Jul 23 18:00:46 UTC 2011

I dont subscribe to mr kohs views, but I just reposted it for the record.
mike

On Sat, Jul 23, 2011 at 7:48 PM, Huib Laurens <sterkebak at gmail.com> wrote:

> Don't think Austin has anything to do with this. While its strange
> that a mail is gone.
>
> But a list moderator nor administrator cant delete mails from the archive.
>
> 2011/7/23, Mike  Dupont <jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com>:
> > It looks like my message here was truncated from the mailing list
> archive,
> > so I am reposting it.
> >
> http://lists.wikimedia.org/pipermail/foundation-l/2010-October/061709.html
> >
> > Mr Kohs pointed this out here :
> > http://wikipediareview.com/index.php?showtopic=34460
> > thanks,
> > mike
> > --------------- Original Text ----------------------------------
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > From what I have seen about Greg Kohs is that he does have some
> > interesting points to make, but I do see that he is jumping to
> > conclusions and does seem to have a biased viewpoint.
> >
> > People want to make their own decisions and have enough information to
> > do that. We don't want to have important information deleted away
> > because it is uncomfortable.
> >
> > Banning him makes it less likely for him to be heard, and these
> > interesting points which are worth considering are not heard my many
> > people : this is depriving people of critical information, that is not
> > fair to the people involved.
> >
> > Just look at this article for example, it is quite interesting and
> > well written, and why should it not be visible to everyone on the
> > list.
> >
> >
> http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-director-admits-to-sweetheart-contracts
> >
> > Deleting and banning people who say things that are not comfortable,
> > that does make you look balanced and trustworthy.
> >
> > The Wikimedia foundation should be able to stand up to such
> > accusations without resorting to gagging people, it just gives more
> > credit to the people being gagged and makes people wonder if there is
> > any merit in what they say.
> >
> > This brings up my favorite subject of unneeded deletions versions needed
> > ones.
> >
> > Of course there is material that should be deleted that is hateful,
> > Spam etc, lets call that evil content.
> >
> > But the articles that i wrote and my friends wrote that were deleted
> > did not fall into that category, they might have been just bad or not
> > notable.
> >
> > We have had a constant struggle to keep our articles from being
> > deleted in a manner that we consider unfair. Additionally, the bad
> > content is lost and falls into the same category as evil content.
> >
> > Also there should be more transparency on deleted material on the
> > Wikipedia itself, there is a lot of information that is being deleted
> > and gone forever without proper process or review.
> >
> > In my eyes there is a connection between the two topics, the banning
> > of people and the deleting of information. Both are depriving people
> > from information that they want and need in an unfair manner.
> >
> > Instead of articles about obscure events, things, and old places in
> > Kosovo you have a wikipedia full of the latest information about every
> > television show, is that what you really want?
> >
> > I think there should be room for things in places that are not not
> > notable because they are not part of mainstream pop culture, we also
> > need to support the underdogs of Wikipedia even if they are not
> > mainstream, Mr Kohs definitely has something to say and I would like
> > like to hear it. And the Kosovars have something to say even if the
> > Serbs don't want to hear it. The Albanians have something to say even
> > if the Greeks don't want to hear it, etc. There are many cases of
> > people from Kosovo and Albania driven out of Wikipedia and depriving
> > the project of important information because they are not able to get
> > started and the contributions are so far way from the dominating
> > political viewpoint of the opposite side that they don't even get a
> > chance to be heard.
> >
> > We need to make a way for these people to be heard and to moderate the
> > conflicts better, that will make Wikipedia stronger and more robust.
> >
> > thanks,
> > mike
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 20, 2010 at 8:30 AM, Mike Dupont <
> jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com
> >> wrote:
> >
> >> Hello,
> >>
> >> From what I have seen about Greg Kohs is that he does have some
> >> interesting points to make, but I do see that he is jumping to
> >> conclusions and does seem to have a biased viewpoint.
> >>
> >> People want to make their own decisions and have enough information to
> >> do that. We don't want to have important information deleted away
> >> because it is uncomfortable.
> >>
> >> Banning him makes it less likely for him to be heard, and these
> >> interesting points which are worth considering are not heard my many
> >> people : this is depriving people of critical information, that is not
> >> fair to the people involved.
> >>
> >> Just look at this article for example, it is quite interesting and
> >> well written, and why should it not be visible to everyone on the
> >> list.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> http://www.examiner.com/wiki-edits-in-national/wikimedia-foundation-director-admits-to-sweetheart-contracts
> >>
> >> Deleting and banning people who say things that are not comfortable,
> >> that does make you look balanced and trustworthy.
> >>
> >> The Wikimedia foundation should be able to stand up to such
> >> accusations without resorting to gagging people, it just gives more
> >> credit to the people being gagged and makes people wonder if there is
> >> any merit in what they say.
> >>
> >> This brings up my favorite subject of unneeded deletions versions needed
> >> ones.
> >>
> >> Of course there is material that should be deleted that is hateful,
> >> Spam etc, lets call that evil content.
> >>
> >> But the articles that i wrote and my friends wrote that were deleted
> >> did not fall into that category, they might have been just bad or not
> >> notable.
> >>
> >> We have had a constant struggle to keep our articles from being
> >> deleted in a manner that we consider unfair. Additionally, the bad
> >> content is lost and falls into the same category as evil content.
> >>
> >> Also there should be more transparency on deleted material on the
> >> Wikipedia itself, there is a lot of information that is being deleted
> >> and gone forever without proper process or review.
> >>
> >> In my eyes there is a connection between the two topics, the banning
> >> of people and the deleting of information. Both are depriving people
> >> from information that they want and need in an unfair manner.
> >>
> >> Instead of articles about obscure events, things, and old places in
> >> Kosovo you have a wikipedia full of the latest information about every
> >> television show, is that what you really want?
> >>
> >> I think there should be room for things in places that are not not
> >> notable because they are not part of mainstream pop culture, we also
> >> need to support the underdogs of Wikipedia even if they are not
> >> mainstream, Mr Kohs definitely has something to say and I would like
> >> like to hear it. And the Kosovars have something to say even if the
> >> Serbs don't want to hear it. The Albanians have something to say even
> >> if the Greeks don't want to hear it, etc. There are many cases of
> >> people from Kosovo and Albania driven out of Wikipedia and depriving
> >> the project of important information because they are not able to get
> >> started and the contributions are so far way from the dominating
> >> political viewpoint of the opposite side that they don't even get a
> >> chance to be heard.
> >>
> >> We need to make a way for these people to be heard and to moderate the
> >> conflicts better, that will make Wikipedia stronger and more robust.
> >>
> >> thanks,
> >> mike
> >>
> >
> >
> >
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>
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