[Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

Sun Jan 23 14:07:22 UTC 2011

Hello,

First, let me say that we have taken down the offending link.

But let me now correct some of your assertions.
You say: "this company is making money off display ads and it is
through one of these links that your niece came across an adult site".

These are not advertising links. Click-throughs do not generate
revenues for Linterweb.

The links are generated by our twitter-search algorithm which we are
putting in place in order to return interesting up-to-the-minute
results around search terms. You can an example of this twitter search
service here: 
http://wikiwix.com/index.php?lang=fr&disp=!twitter%2Ffr%2F&action=sarkozy

The basic idea is that we want to show users material that is recent
and fresh around their search term of interest. We're working on the
algorithm still, and the fact that it sometimes produces results like
this one demonstrates that we need to do more work on it. In the
meantime, we have disabled the feature.

Yours, Pascal Martin

 Bonjour,

 Avant de commencer ma réponse j'ai retiré ces liens.

 Je rectifie :
 "Cette société d'archivage se rémunère par le biais de publicité. Et
 c'est depuis le site de cette société que votre nièce est tombée sur de
 la publicité pour un site pour adulte."

 Ce ne sont pas des liens publicitaires, c'est à dire que lorsqu'un
 internaute clique sur ces liens, Linterweb ne gagne pas d'argent.

 Ces liens sont issus de notre moteur de recherche twitter afin de données
 l'activité récente sur le titre de l'article
 http://wikiwix.com/index.php?lang=fr&disp=!twitter%2Ffr%2F&action=sarkozy

 En effet l'idée derrière est de proposer une alternative sur les liens qui
 sont mis en source, en essayant de proposer à l'internaute l'activité
 récente sur le titre de l'article.

 Nos algorithmes étant encore trop perfectible et à améliorer nous avons
 pris la décision de suspendre cette affichage.

 Cordialement

Cordialement
Pascal Martin
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "F.-F. Duron" <ff.duron at gmail.com>
To: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Friday, January 21, 2011 9:42 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Advertising on Wikipedia

The integration of this search engine into wikipedia (which seems to be a
very lucrative deal for this company) is just one of the problems. The ads
that I've mentioned are unacceptable (escort girl = prostitution). I will
never see such kind of ads on Google. And there is a big difference between
Google, Bing and this company. The two first major companies are sending you
the majority of your trafic. This little company is only making business by
monetizing the trafic that Wikipedia send to them.

The second problem is the cache system. I don't understand why the French
Wikipedia is using their commercial cache system instead of the Internet
Archive which 1) is a well known non profit organization and 2) has been
advocating for free content for a long time and 3) doesn't show ads at all.

2011/1/21 Béria Lima <berialima at gmail.com>

> There are no such thing as a "partnership" whit Wikiwix (or Google,
> Exalead, Bing
> and Yahoo). They are there only to improve the results of a search in case
> you don't find anything in Wikipedia.
> _____
> *Béria Lima*
> Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt/>
> (351) 963 953 042
>
> *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> livre
> acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que estamos a
> fazer.*
>
>
> 2011/1/21 F.-F. Duron <ff.duron at gmail.com>
>
> > Yes, but maybe you can control the partnerships you're making! Wikipedia
> is
> > one of the most visited websites in the world. Don't you think there is 
> > a
> > problem here??
> >
> > 2011/1/21 Béria Lima <y1030903 at mail.aesbuc.pt>
> >
> > > I did what he ask:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://fr.wikiwix.com/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial%3ARecherche&redirs=1&action=sex&fulltext=Search&searchengineselect=wikiwix&ns0=1
> > >
> > > But note that now you are not anymore in french wikipedia, but in
> > Wikiwix.
> > > And we can't control what they put on their site.
> > > _____
> > > *Béria Lima*
> > > Wikimedia Portugal <http://wikimedia.pt/>
> > > (351) 963 953 042
> > >
> > > *Imagine um mundo onde é dada a qualquer pessoa a possibilidade de ter
> > > livre
> > > acesso ao somatório de todo o conhecimento humano. É isso o que 
> > > estamos
> a
> > > fazer.*
> > >
> > >
> > > 2011/1/21 Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>
> > >
> > > > On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 2:52 PM, F.-F. Duron <ff.duron at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > > > No, it's not a mirror site. This french start-up is making all its
> > > > business
> > > > > with Wikipedia. This company has a cache system and some kind of
> > search
> > > > > engine that are both integrated by default in the french 
> > > > > Wikipedia.
> I
> > > > don't
> > > > > know if other Wikipedias use it.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try doing a search on the word "sex" in Wikipedia fr (
> > > > > http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Recherche ) with the option
> > > > "Wikiwix".
> > > > > You will see ads related to porn sites, escort girl sites (!!),
> > > > viagra....
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, it's certainly a good deal for this start-up... But how is
> that
> > > > > possible??
> > > > >
> > > > > Such partnership is simply... unbelievable.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > I performed the search you suggested (here is the link:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> http://fr.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sp%C3%A9cial%3ARecherche&redirs=0&search=sex+wikiwix&fulltext=Search&searchengineselect=mediawiki&ns0=1
> > > > )
> > > > and did not find any advertisements. Perhaps you are mistaken?
> > > >
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