[Foundation-l] Showing the difference between the sexes

[Béria Lima]

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2011/2/13 The Mono <mono em mono.x10.bz>

> So my user page would be at Male:Mono or Man:Mono?
>
> On Sunday, February 13, 2011, Lodewijk <lodewijk em effeietsanders.org>
> wrote:
> > To be absolutely clear: I am not against the feature, I am just
> > against applying it to every user that indicated his/her gender
> > without asking. Up to now (afaik) the male/female setting was only
> > used for communication *to* the user: that is private. To turn on
> > suddenly a feature that shows this also explicitely to the outside
> > world is a whole different thing.
> >
> > Also, in some languages the difference between male/female maybe exist
> > if you search hard (like Dutch), but are not commonly used (like
> > gebruikster - I never ever heard that being used in common
> > conversations). I am just saying that we should not force these
> > changes on communities and groups of people without consulting them.
> > They know their language best and how common the term is, how it comes
> > across culturally etc. The fact that a term exists doesnt mean we
> > should use it. I also agree with Austin that it should be even better
> > to determine it as well on a personal level. But I would make it a two
> > level choice: first the community should decide to turn it on in the
> > first place in their wiki, then the user should decide to turn it on
> > in their individual case.
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > 2011/2/13 Austin Hair <adhair em gmail.com>:
> >> On Sun, Feb 13, 2011 at 12:50 PM, Béria Lima <berialima em gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >>>> Lodewijk: Gerard, this wouldn't really help to attract more new female
> >>>> users.
> >>>
> >>> Could you please tell me why? I can set my preferences to "male" or
> >>> "female", but i can't see my "user" page with my real gender. And yes,
> that
> >>> is a matter of choice, you can say that not every girl will like to be
> >>> called "usuária" or Gebruikster" or "Benutzerin", but if you guys
> change the
> >>> MediaWiki they can have the power to chose. And right now we don't have
> >>> that, do we?
> >>
> >> I won't speak for Lodewijk, but what I understood him to mean was that
> >> you wouldn't know about the feature until you've already created an
> >> account, so it doesn't *attract* them. One might argue that it helps
> >> *keep* them, but that's a different matter.
> >>
> >>>> Austin: Like with many European languages, the masculine is the
> default
> >>>> and feminine suffixes are added only for emphasis, which is pretty
> >>>> anti-feminist, and it doesn't help that the feminine forms are related
> to or
> >>>> even the same as the diminutive forms.
> >>>
> >>> Anti feminist and partenalist is see several guys deciding what we want
> or
> >>> don't want in our user pages. We are not here to change French or
> German
> >>> grammar, if the feminine is made by adding a sufix, is a local language
> >>> problem (btw, in portuguese, the male version is also a "sufix", so is
> >>> "usuário / usuária). Again here we are not change grammar, we are only
> >>> talking about give girls the "possibility" to be called by the right
> form in
> >>> the MediaWiki system.
> >>>
> >>>> Austin: It seems more like an individual preference to me.
> >>>
> >>> It is a individual preference. But a preference you people don't seems
> to
> >>> want us to decide if we want of not.
> >>
> >> I think you misunderstand me. I think it *should* be an individual
> >> preference. What I argue against is making that decision for everyone.
> >> Lodewijk is worried about making that decision for communities whose
> >> linguistic and/or cultural norms might be different; I take it one
> >> step further and say the individual should be able to do that, if it's
> >> to be done at all.
> >>
> >> (And as long as we're picking nits: I don't speak Portuguese, but I do
> >> speak Spanish, so I'm guessing that one male user and three female
> >> users are still collectively usuários?)
> >>
> >> But back to your first point:
> >>
> >>>> Lodewijk and Thomas: so why change it to something causing problems
> all
> >>>> over the place, not only technical ones?
> >>>
> >>> Why? Maybe to call a girl by her real gender. The problems you both
> listed
> >>> are not real problems. The male version is only used if you don't know
> the
> >>> gender. But all wikimedia know that Sue (for example) is a girl, so why
> we
> >>> still need to see a male word in her "user" page?
> >>
> >> This may be important to you in your language, but it may not be
> >> important to others (in fact, they might resent being explicitly
> >> labeled as a woman), if it's even a distinction made in that language.
> >>
> >> Austin
> >>
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