[Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia

Thu Dec 15 17:28:10 UTC 2011

Mateus, you misunderstood me. I am not saying we should only use it
after the bill is approved; that would indeed be pointless. I am
saying that this could be a very good time to strike, but it would
have to be right now, as we speak, this morning. And if the bill does
pass this vote, then it goes on to at least three other votes in the
next several months, all of which would be opportunities to strike.
And I think if we strike at every decision point then people might
stop paying attention. What I mean by the last resort is that it is
the single most dramatic thing we can do on the projects to protest.

-- phoebe

On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 9:13 AM, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre at live.co.uk> wrote:
>
> I know, I'm just answering to some guys below, who are sayin' the strike is a last resource/applicable only after approval.
> It's not possible. We've to concentrate our forces  before.
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>> Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 17:05:30 +0000
>> From: berialima at gmail.com
>> To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia
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>> Mateus the law is not approved yet. Is still in a committee.
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>> On 15 December 2011 16:46, Mateus Nobre <mateus.nobre at live.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > It's virtually impossible break down a law when it's already approved.
>> >
>> > We would need more than a strike to do that. Maybe some tents ocuppying
>> > front of White House.
>> >
>> > The Strike can't be our last resource, it have to be used EARLY. It's our
>> > main hope!
>> >
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>> > > Date: Thu, 15 Dec 2011 08:40:31 -0800
>> > > From: phoebe.wiki at gmail.com
>> > > To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
>> > > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] How SOPA will hurt the free web and Wikipedia
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Dec 15, 2011 at 4:26 AM, Philippe Beaudette
>> > > <philippe at wikimedia.org> wrote:
>> > > > Hi folks,
>> > > >
>> > > > Just wanted to let you know that I got word a few minutes ago that
>> > today's
>> > > > SOPA markup meeting will be using a new tool that allows for public
>> > input
>> > > > into the markup.  Shortly before 8:30, you'll see the SOPA bill
>> > replace the
>> > > > OPEN bill at Keepthewebopen.com.  If you'd like to have input during
>> > the
>> > > > markup process, this is a nice way to do it.
>> > > >
>> > > > pb
>> > >
>> > > Fascinating! A little late though... clearly these representatives
>> > > haven't had the community lessons of Wikimedia drilled into them, heh.
>> > > (As an aside, I really like the editing interface that keepthewebopen
>> > > is using).
>> > >
>> > > On the question of to strike or not to strike -- my *personal* view is
>> > > to agree that we should a) discuss other measures, such as perhaps a
>> > > text banner on en.wp; and b) use a strike as a last resort, as there
>> > > is no other place to go if we did strike. I think Jimmy's poll was
>> > > just that -- a way to gauge support for any particular action. And all
>> > > the discussions I've seen have run pretty strongly in favor of doing
>> > > something to oppose the bill, with the 'something' tbd.
>> > >
>> > > As with the Italian action though timing is everything. This vote is a
>> > > committee vote; if it dies here it will be exceedingly hard to
>> > > resuscitate, but if it goes on it still has to pass a House floor
>> > > vote, Senate floor vote, get reconciled and get signed. In other
>> > > words, today is a critical time (and especially if you are in the US,
>> > > this is a good time to try to sway judiciary committee members) and we
>> > > really hope it dies here and now. But if it doesn't, this process
>> > > could go on for months, and we should consider what the next best
>> > > timing to do anything is. This is a community question, and must be a
>> > > community-led action.
>> > >
>> > > BTW, Vint Cerf, Paul Vixie and many others just signed a letter of
>> > > internet engineers opposing SOPA:
>> > >
>> > http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-tech/post/top-internet-engineers-warn-against-sopa/2011/12/15/gIQAGRV4vO_blog.html
>> > >
>> > > -- phoebe
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