[Foundation-l] The problem with Incubator: An interactive journey

[M. Williamson]

Yes but again as I said, most people will be looking for their languages on
http://www.wikipedia.org/ or in places where interwiki links are usually
found. How many out of the 5 million speakers of Central Atlas Tamazight do
you think are aware that the ISO code for their language is TZM? Probably
only 3 or 4 people, less than one one-millionth of the total population. So
maybe it makes it easier for people who already know the test wiki exists,
but what about people who doesn't? This doesn't help them.

2011/8/8 Milos Rancic <millosh at gmail.com>

> On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 20:08, Casey Brown <lists at caseybrown.org> wrote:
> > On Mon, Aug 8, 2011 at 11:30 AM, Thomas Goldammer <thogol at googlemail.com>
> wrote:
> >> That'd be great, indeed. But if there is an article in enwiki about
> >> that language, there is always also a link to the project(s), even if
> >> it is in the incubator, example:
> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Afar_language (it's near the bottom and
> >> on the right edge, though, so one might not see it easily). Maybe one
> >> could convince the communities to have such a link in other
> >> wikipediae, too...
> >
> > I was just going to bring that up too. :-)
> >
> > It's obviously not a perfect solution, but it's likely that if someone
> > were looking for a Wikipedia in their language, they'd probably type
> > it into Google. So if we type in "Central Morocco Tamazight
> > wikipedia", we get a link to
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Atlas_Tamazight> in the first
> > result. They read more about what the article has to say, and then
> > they see the link at the bottom and click on it. Much fewer steps, and
> > at least a bit clearer/more logical.
> >
> > (This is actually what we do with many of the languages, at least on
> > enwiki. See French for example:
> > <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_language#External_links>.)
>
> Yep. All those ideas are inside of the project on which Robins works:
> * xyz.wikipedia.org will be redirect for incubator.../wiki/wp/xyz
> * All existing ISO 639-3 codes will get their pages "If you know this
> language, please start to write Wikipedia." Although there would be
> some limitations. For example, just if we are sure that the content is
> written in particular language, it will get *full* redirects
> (http://xyz.wikipedia.org/wiki/Some_Page =>
> http://incubator.wikimedia.org/wiki/wp/xyz/Some_Page). Without that,
> there will be just redirect to the main page.
> * I was thinking to ask en.wp (and other Wikipedian) communities to
> add a template similar to Incubator with note "If you know this
> language you can start Wikipedia by following this link."
>
> There are some problems with that; Robin told me that during
> Wikimania. But, AFAIK, that's going to be changed during the next
> months; likely up to the end of the year or so.
>
> BTW, I repeated the first two points a couple of times on this list
> since LangCom meeting in Berlin. And I am a bit surprised that we are
> passing it again. (It wouldn't be an issue if there are newcomers who
> wonders about it :P )
>
> During the next week or so I'll present here what's happened on
> Wikimania in relation to the languages.
>
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