[Foundation-l] Request for moderation of Dan Rosenthal and Andrew Garrett

[Dan Rosenthal]

Andrew was clearly referring to me, lets leave him out of this please.

-Dan
On Apr 4, 2011, at 8:32 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado wrote:

> After a cool off period of about 48 hours and considerable 
> reflection, it is my conviction that the posts of two above mentioned 
> editors should be moderated from now on.
> 
> Andrew Garrett wrote, Sun Apr 3 10:13:26 UTC 2011, "Your messages are 
> deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to boot." it is 
> unclear what messages he is referring to, but these are not 
> acceptable terms to classify anybody's messages, unless it is 
> acceptable that others classify Andrew Garrett's or anybody else's 
> messages as "deliberately obnoxious, unpleasant, and off-topic to 
> boot." and therefore asks him or them to "Cut it out, please." "What 
> is good for the goose is good for the gander."
> 
> After engaging in a "friendly and polite exchange" with Dan 
> Rosenthal, he saw fit to send me an e-mail, Sun, 3 Apr 2011 05:26, 
> concerning "[Foundation-l] Wiki-revolution," using language 
> unbecoming to a gentleman, that I'll not repeat. This kind of 
> behavior cannot and should not be tolerated from members of this 
> list. Should everybody start sending unspeakable messages to other 
> members of the list? I do have experience of exchanging off list 
> messages with other members, but those were used for clarification, 
> to reach a mutual understanding and establish new bridges and avenues 
> of communication. They were used to improve relations with other 
> members and, as a result, improve the peaceful and cordial exchanges 
> that should take place on this list, despite any disagreements and 
> differences of opinion. There can never be any disagreements or 
> differences of opinion as far as the level of education and manners 
> used on this list, and towards members of this list both on and off 
> list. This is no army barracks, farm stables, or brawl among 
> drunkards on the town fairgrounds.
> 
> As Dan Rosenthal might wish to present evidence that no harm was 
> intended or done, by making public his message, I authorize that he 
> so does. I have no trouble in reproducing Dan Rosenthal's message on 
> this list, provided he grants me, here, in public, on this list, 
> authorization to do it.
> 
> I believe that Dan Rosenthal's action called for more severe 
> sanctions, but I have many reservations concerning all sorts of so 
> called severe sanctions on this list and Wikimedia projects in 
> general. We all know how easily they can be circunvented by the less 
> scrupulous. Therefore, as in the case of Andrew Garrett, my request 
> is that their posts to be moderated from now on. That should be 
> sufficient to prevent Dan Rosenthal from coughing again on this list 
> and hopefully at least make him hesitate before sending unworthy 
> messages off list.
> 
> Sincerely,
> 
> Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)
> 
> 
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