[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?

[Mariano Cecowski]

Gerard; if New York got to be a Chapter (or a SubChapter for what it matters) then Kosovo can definitely be one as well.

The question of whether it would end up being an independent chapter, or a SubChapter of Serbia, or potentially Albania if it ever exists, is secondary to the WMF approval for the use of the Wikimedia brand.

As I see it, the question is not whether they should apply or not because they might not be approved;the question is, if the consent is to approve it, what is the scope under which they would exist. And they can present their application without knowing that outcome.

Cheers,
MarianoC.-

--- El mié 29-sep-10, Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> escribió:

> De: Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> Asunto: Re: [Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter?
> Para: "Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List" <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
> Fecha: miércoles, 29 de septiembre de 2010, 9:19
> Hoi,
> Lodewijk you are missing the point. The question is, should
> they bother, do
> they have a chance. When they provide all this information
> and then are
> denied for political reasons, it is best to say so up
> front.
> 
> The notion that there is only success as an outcome is not
> relevant. The
> question raised is will there be room for a Kosovar
> chapter. The answer is
> binary and from that it starts to make sense to answer any
> and all other
> questions that are less binary.
> Thanks,
>        GerardM
> 
> On 29 September 2010 19:09, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
> wrote:
> 
> > That would only be the case if we would have
> sufficient information to
> > actually make a decision and this would be the actual
> body making such
> > decision in the first place. Some very important
> indicators are still
> > missing. We dont know who the group is, what they want
> to do, what they
> > need, how many they are, whether wikimedians are
> involved in the first
> > place, what their goals would be, not even to speak
> about their proposed
> > bylaws.
> >
> > You suggest that only being a chapter is a potential
> success outcome. Of
> > course that is not the case. Thinking about who you
> are, where you are,
> > where you want to go, what you want to do and what you
> need to get there is
> > never wasted, especially since there are many ways
> that lead to Rome. Even
> > if the conclusion would be that they want to form a
> chapter, and that would
> > be rejected (highly hypothetical) that effort would be
> well spent because
> > you could use it to persue your goals in another way.
> Being a chapter is a
> > tool, not a goal.
> >
> > Please note that the only indication that they want to
> form a chapter is
> > not
> > a notice from themselves, is not a request, but only a
> hypothetical
> > question
> > from someone who visited a conference. Really, if you
> want to make a real
> > consideration whether it would be a good idea, you
> need much more
> > information than you have right now, and the regular
> process through
> > chapcom
> > is probably much more effective to evaluate such
> information than through
> > this mailing list.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > 2010/9/29 Thomas Dalton <thomas.dalton at gmail.com>
> >
> > > On 28 September 2010 23:55, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>
> > wrote:
> > > > guys, please! Lets not try to solve
> hypothetical problems here until we
> > > know
> > > > what the problem will be! Let the folks see
> if they can get people
> > > together
> > > > in the first place, what they want to do,
> and what in their opinion
> > would
> > > be
> > > > the best way to organize that. THEN we can
> see if a chapter has to be
> > > > approved or not.
> > >
> > > I disagree. The work involved in getting together
> a group interested
> > > in forming and chapter and starting to make plans
> for how to go about
> > > creating one is significantly greater than the
> work invovled in
> > > hashing out the potential issues on foundation-l,
> so the latter should
> > > be done first. There is no point them wasting
> their time getting
> > > together a group of interested people if we're
> not going to accept
> > > them as a chapter.
> > >
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