[Foundation-l] Wikimedia Kosovo Chapter? Re: Fwd: SFK100 Press Release

[Lodewijk]

Ehm, you probably misunderstood me. I did not try to say that they will not
be accepted, I tried exactly to avoid saying things like that. I think we
cannot make any decision on that - and that the question is more complicated
than it is put now. Chapcom has not been invented for academic matters, but
for actual applications. Therefore, imho, it is better to first examine what
you want to do, get started with what you dont need a chapter status for
anyway, and grow the community that way. Get to know each other, and see if
you need a chapter status - based on what you are planning and doing (and
whether you could just work with the existing structures within and outside
Wikimedia). Once you have enough people, and you are of the opinion you need
such status, you are of course free to request it. Before that moment, I
think it is not very useful to get into theoretical what-if discussions
about who should be asked etc.

Best,

Lodewijk

2010/9/27 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>

> Hoi,
> So you want them to first organise things with the understanding that they
> will not be accepted as a chapter? In the language committee we have the
> grace to first decide on eligibility and then decide if all the
> requirements
> are met.
>
> Yes I understand your reasoning but it means either that you do not expect
> them to get to the stage of realisation or think that it is expedient not
> to
> do discuss it at this time.
> Thanks,
>        GerardM
>
> On 27 September 2010 11:42, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org> wrote:
>
> > lets first await how things develop, whether there are enough people
> being
> > involved, if a chapter is actually the most useful format for their
> > activities in the first place - before we are going to get into the whole
> > political question of whether Kosovo is a seperate jurisdiction or not
> and
> > what WMRS' role would be in that.
> >
> > Lodewijk
> >
> > 2010/9/27 Gerard Meijssen <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>
> >
> > > Hoi,
> > > I doubt very much that political considerations should be part of the
> set
> > > up
> > > of a chapter. Asking the Serbian chapter for an opinion is fine. Giving
> > > them
> > > a vote on this is not. Given that Kosovo is a separate jurisdiction
> means
> > > that it fulfils the basic requirement. Given that Hong Kong and New
> York
> > > have chapters the case for Kosovo to have a chapter is at least as
> strong
> > > if
> > > not stronger.
> > > Thanks,
> > >       GerardM
> > >
> > > On 27 September 2010 11:09, Nikola Smolenski <smolensk at eunet.rs>
> wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Sun, 2010-09-26 at 18:29 +0200, Milos Rancic wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, Sep 26, 2010 at 14:58, Daniel ~ Leinad <
> > danny.leinad at gmail.com
> > > >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > Look here
> > > > http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Step-by-step_chapter_creation_guide
> > > > > > and here http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Local_chapter_FAQ.
> > > > >
> > > > > Plus to convince voting ChapCom members enough that it is good idea
> > to
> > > > > convince WM Serbia that it is a good idea.
> > > > >
> > > > > As a non-voting member of ChapCom and Board member of WM RS I can
> > > > > confirm that the harder task is to convince ChapCom.
> > > >
> > > > As a non-voting board member of WM RS, I am highly doubtful of such a
> > > > confirmation.
> > > >
> > > >
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