[Foundation-l] Wikimedia movement roles project

Wed Sep 22 21:27:12 UTC 2010

This group is talking about the Wikimedia organization, so it is no more
than logical that people heavily involved in that will be the ones thinking
about it. Besides that, although Austin did not mention that in this
specific email, it has been pointed out every time when I spoke with people
about this, that they will be searching for a huge support for anything that
comes out of it. A charter will only work if it is agreed upon by virtually
everybody affected. Also, it was clear that the process will be open, and
that people will be able to join in the conversation later on if they proof
to be constructively participating the discussions.

So, going from here there are two things you can probably do. The first is
just complain - probably wont get you very far, my guess is you already got
out of that what is in it. The second option is participate and give
constructive input. How would you like the Wikimedia Organization (that is
not the community per se, but rather the whole framework behind it including
Foundation and Chapters and non-affiliated organizations like the
Wikimedians in Kansai) see develop, how would you see your role in that?

Best,

Lodewijk

2010/9/22 who this <whothith at gmail.com>

> why not throw in florence and aprhabhala into the mix and we can round up
> the same "advisory group" cabal.
>
> maybe they are in rotation for the next one......
>
> anyway seeing the same names over and over again irked me and I decided to
> comment on the issue which like many other editors I try to avoid.
>
> looking forward to seeing more of the same
>
> Anon
>
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 2:07 AM, who this <whothith at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Lets see..........
> >
> > Austin- chapcom member/chair
> > Arne Klempert-chapcom member
> > Bence Damokos-chapcom member
> > Samuel klein-chapcom member + many others
> >
> > Morgan Chan- communication committee(status unknown)
> >
> > bishkha datta- board member
> >
> > barry newstead-employee
> >
> > jon hugget-outside employee/contractor
> >
> > thats how I see the current "committee"
> >
> > same people already heavily involved either retired from community
> editing
> > shifting influential positions. half this working group is made of
> chapcom
> > members.
> >
> > As for joining......I didnt see an announce or any posting for this
> working
> > group like many others. they just show up, make influential decisions and
> > disappear into some other committee. No senior editors who are currently
> > active on there, same ppl who would be affected most by their decision.
> >
> > Anon
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 1:52 AM, Steven Walling <
> steven.walling at gmail.com>wrote:
> >
> >> Anon,
> >>
> >> The percentage of community members interested in doing meta organizing
> >> and
> >> research for the movement as a whole will always be much smaller than
> >> those
> >> interested in working on a single project (or just a single task or
> >> subject
> >> within a project). It's a fact of life when it comes to any movement,
> >> online
> >> or off, and Wikimedia is not unusual in this regard.
> >>
> >> It's important to remember that working groups such as Movement Roles
> try
> >> hard to get a diverse array of perspectives in on a project, even if
> they
> >> don't alway succeed.
> >>
> >> If you want to see some new blood involved, I would suggest either
> joining
> >> in yourself or making sure the right people know that they can join in,
> *
> >> especially* if they aren't normally the type to self-select for groups
> >> such
> >> as Movement Roles.
> >>
> >> Steven Walling
> >>
> >> On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 1:05 PM, who this <whothith at gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> > Am I the only one or do people get the feeling that its the same
> people
> >> > that
> >> > keep showing up for these communities and groups.
> >> >
> >> > I do not see new community people, mostly outsiders, someone from the
> >> > staff,
> >> > and the same old cabal.
> >> >
> >> > when you gonna get some new people in there?
> >> >
> >> > anon editor
> >> >
> >> > On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 5:56 PM, Austin Hair <adhair at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > > The Wikimedia Foundation Board of Trustees has commissioned a
> >> > > year-long effort to clarify the roles of various stakeholders in the
> >> > > movement, with the final goal of developing a "Wikimedia Charter"—a
> >> > > document where the roles and responsibilities within the Wikimedia
> >> > > organization are clearly defined and agreed upon by all
> >> > > stakeholders—and a plan for going forward with organizational
> >> > > development.
> >> > >
> >> > > This process will be transparent, and open to input from anyone
> >> > > interested.  It's planned to take approximately one year, with
> regular
> >> > > milestones along the way.
> >> > >
> >> > > A core group of people will be tasked with ensuring that steady
> >> > > progress is being made toward those milestones.  Although the exact
> >> > > makeup of the group may change as specific needs are reevaluated,
> this
> >> > > working group currently comprises:
> >> > >
> >> > > * Alice Wiegand
> >> > > * Arne Klempert
> >> > > * Austin Hair (facilitator and adviser)
> >> > > * Barry Newstead
> >> > > * Bence Damokos
> >> > > * Bishakha Datta
> >> > > * Galileo Vidoni
> >> > > * Jon Huggett (facilitator and adviser)
> >> > > * Morgan Chan
> >> > > * Samuel Klein
> >> > >
> >> > > The work is just getting started, with the inaugural meeting of the
> >> > > working group having taken place on 10 September; please see the
> page
> >> > > on Meta[0] to comment and participate.  Although I expect that there
> >> > > will be plenty of replies to this e-mail, it would be nice if the
> >> > > project-related discussion could take place on-wiki.
> >> > >
> >> > > This announcement is about two weeks overdue—many of you may already
> >> > > know about it, since it's no secret.  I apologize for that; my
> >> > > computer died and I didn't manage to retype the e-mail with my
> thumbs
> >> > > on my phone before I got the replacement.
> >> > >
> >> > > I personally hope to see lots of participation, and am willing to
> >> > > answer any questions about the process.
> >> > >
> >> > > Best regards,
> >> > >
> >> > > Austin Hair
> >> > >
> >> > > [0] http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Movement_roles_working_group
> >> > >
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