[Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia

[Gutza]

 Mark,

You are a veteran in Wikipedia matters -- you have been involved in this
project for several years under nickname "Node ue". You have fought in
the Moldovan language article on en.wp for years, and you have
single-handedly created and defended the entire mo.wiki project, from
interface to content. As such, I am amazed by the number of
inconsistencies in your reply:

   1. Your wording is inflammatory ("rule-by-mob"), and your point
      gratuitously infers an ulterior motive on my part; as far as I can
      tell, there is no reason for such implications.
   2. Wikipedia is governed by consensus, wherein the quality of your
      argument weighs much more than the number of people who hold the
      same point of view; as such, the rule-by-mob and any similar
      arguments are moot.
   3. Several "interested parties" (such as myself) have been watching
      this discussion on foundation-l for some time; as long as they had
      nothing to comment, they kept to themselves -- this is in line
      with Wikipedia policies regarding tacit consensus. Moving this
      entire conversation to a private medium equals hiding the
      decision-making process from the very interested parties it was
      intended for. You might have not been aware of such silent parties
      before my message here, but you were replying to the very message
      which revealed their existence.
   4. All of this is public, so far. As such, any "private" medium this
      conversation could be moved to will be "invaded" by Romanian and
      Russian "mobs". But there's a significant difference: where silent
      parties were silent, now they would now have to voice their
      presence in the new, "private" medium.

Having said the above, please tell me how exactly you see this private
decision-making process, from a technical point of view: which medium do
you propose? Who would centralize all messages? When would we know we
reached consensus, and who would decide that? How would that be proven
to the outside world?

Thank you,
Gutza

On 12-Oct-10 23:27, M. Williamson wrote:
> Gutza, the problem with such a solution is inequality of numbers.
> Every time this has been discussed previously, such forums have been
> dominated by Romanians from Romania with very little input from
> Moldovans and 0 input from Transnistrians. This is unfair and steps
> should be taken to remedy any systemic bias of this type. Although the
> solution of Milos of individuals or groups negotiating privately is
> not ideal, it seems to me better than rule-by-mob in which it will end
> up, as on the vote for closure of mo.wp, a battle of numbers between
> Russians and Romanians rather than a discussion of any substance
> between informed or involved parties with different views.
>
> -m.
>
> 2010/10/12 Gutza <gutza at moongate.ro>:
>>  I've been watching the conversation on this topic from the bench.
>> Milos, this is a highly sensitive issue, you can't tell "private
>> parties" to settle this privately and come back with a solution -- this
>> has to be settled in a public medium (if only for the consensus to be
>> visible). I suggest a page on Meta, e.g.
>> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/2010_Decision_on_Moldovan_Wikipedia
>>
>> Regards,
>> Gutza
>>
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