[Foundation-l] Please delete mo. wikipedia
gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
Tue Oct 5 21:16:00 UTC 2010
We will never have a Romanian or a Moldovan Wikipedia. What we have is a
Romanian language Wikipedia.
On 6 October 2010 04:11, George Herbert <george.herbert at gmail.com> wrote:
> NPOV is good as far as it goes, but the issues of wiki naming and
> language are necessarily one where positions need to be taken on some
> very touchy real-world issues.
> The naming of mo.wikipedia and its use of Cyrillic were particularly
> unfortunate, as the Moldovan standard alphabet is Roman, the
> Transnistrian is Cyrillic, the Moldovan TLD / name code is "MD" not
> "MO", and we have no Transnistrian wiki that I am aware of.
> Essentially - we landed in a configuration that simultaneously is as
> wrong as possible, on every account, offending nearly all people on
> both sides of the defacto border. This is highly inappropriate, even
> from a "We're NPOV and not here to make political statements"
> The particular campaign of emails is ... at best unfortunate. But we
> really should do something about this eventually.
> Whether that's deleting mo.wikipedia, renaming it to tr.wikipedia (or
> deleting and creating a new one there), or what, I don't know. But
> we're Very Wrong right now. We can neutrally get to Somewhat Right.
> I understand (at a high level) the technical issues and staff priority
> issues, etc. But there's a difference between "low on the priority
> order" and "We shouldn't fix this".
> On Tue, Oct 5, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Gerard Meijssen
> <gerard.meijssen at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hoi,
> > Your approach is the wrong one. Our aim is to bring information to all
> > people of this world. When people leave for political reasons, they are
> > welcome to leave. Their point of view is clearly not the Neutral Point Of
> > View that is also expected of them in their contributions.
> > Thanks,
> > GerardM
> > On 6 October 2010 03:50, Marcus Buck <me at marcusbuck.org> wrote:
> >> An'n 05.10.2010 22:24, hett M. Williamson schreven:
> >> > 2010/10/5 Gerard Meijssen<gerard.meijssen at gmail.com>:
> >> >> Hoi,
> >> >> Technically it is easier to transliterate from Cyrillic. So when
> >> >> transliteration works in a round robin fashion, it does not really
> >> matter in
> >> >> what script people edit. It will only be stored in one script. The
> >> choice
> >> >> for a script can be based on a user setting or on the method access
> >> the
> >> >> information was sought.
> >> >> Thanks,
> >> > Gerard, I am aware of all this, however in the proposals of Marcus
> >> > there is constant mention of a "read-only" Cyrillic portal rather than
> >> > a "round robin" transliteration program which enables editors to
> >> > create content in Cyrillic which is saved to the database in Latin.
> >> >
> >> > -m.
> >> I'm trying to promote a solution that _works_. If you want a solution
> >> where Cyrillic users can participate on par with Latin users you need
> >> the support of the Latin users. I'm sure you won't get that support. You
> >> can critizise ro.wp for being unwilling to give that support but that
> >> won't change anything about it. If you try to impose something on them
> >> that can break the ro.wp community. If just 2% of all active ro.wp
> >> Wikipedians leave the project in disagreement about the issue that's
> >> twice as worse as if the 1% Romanian speakers of Transnistria are unable
> >> to participate.
> >> Marcus Buck
> >> User:Slomox
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