[Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be published?

[Birgitte SB]

----- Original Message ----
> From: "WJhonson at aol.com" <WJhonson at aol.com>
> To: foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org
> Sent: Tue, November 30, 2010 1:26:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] should not web server logs (of requests) be 
>published?
> 
> In a message dated 11/30/2010 11:11:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, 
> birgitte_sb at yahoo.com writes:
> 
> 
> > And like everyone who contributes to this list, they  also send other 
> > messages to the list that are useful or contribute a  perspective that 
> > would 
> > otherwise be absent from the list. They  should definitely not be banned, 
> > but it 
> > is clear that trolling  and personal attacks do not bring about moderation. 
> > >>
> > 
> 
> 
> "Trolling" seems to be defined however any person wishes to define  it.  
> I've been accussed of trolling simply because I espouse a  point-of-view that 
>is 
>
> critical.  To me critcism is not trolling.   Trolling would be, when you do 
> not actually believe what you're saying, but  you say it only to generate 
> some dramatic effect.
> 
> People who believe  their own criticism are critics, and are one of the 
> cornerstones of our  society, without whom, we would sink into the morass of 
> stagnancy.
> 
> Personal attacks to me, are attacks against the character  of a person, not 
> the character of their argument.
> If I say you are being  foolish, that is not the same thing as saying you 
> are a fool.
> 
> The  "Troll" attack is launched, from my experience, whenever a person 
> espouses a  line of argument, with which you not only don't agree, but you find 
>
> offensive in some manner to your ideals.  That is not a troll, that is  a 
> critic.
> 

Trolling wasn't my choice of words, but in the section you snipped, 
AlexandrDmitri suggested that it would lead to moderation.  The term is 
ambiguous, but I can hardly read his mind rephrase it more definitively for 
him.  


Your recent postings have definitely been foolish.  You seem to be going out of 
the way to misinterpret everyone's words in the worst possible light. Why should 
you assume the phrase donor is meant to be restricted to monetary donations? Why 
must you approach responses that are not full agreement with you as combat?  You 
obviously aren't on my ignore list, but frankly I am not sure how representative 
this thread is of your general behavior.  I guess I will know in a year or so.

Birgitte SB