[Foundation-l] Fwd: Re: [VereinDE-l] Bericht zur Verleihung der Zedler-Me...

[Marc Riddell]

> In a message dated 11/25/2010 3:31:07 PM Pacific Standard Time,
> geniice at gmail.com writes:
> 
> 
>> On 25 November 2010 22:15,  <WJhonson at aol.com> wrote:
>>> We have Geni, many ways to determine if someone is an established
>> editor.
>> 
>> Name one that doesn't boil down to editcountitis
>> 
>>> We have flags already to mark people as established editors in addition
>> to
>>> that.
>> 
>> I for one have no wish to turn requests for rollback in a mini RFA
>> more than has already happened.
>> 
> on 11/25/10 8:35 PM, WJhonson at aol.com at WJhonson at aol.com wrote:

> The police always think they are doing a fine job and don't need any
> accountability.
> All democracies have checks and balances.  Those who do not, are police
> states.
> 
> Our single hierarchical structure is just such a system with no checks and
> balances.
> The point of having three parts to the US Government is to ensure that if
> you are harassed by the police you can turn to your legislator, if you are
> attacked by your legislator, you can turn to a judge.  Wikipedia has a single
> structure.  If you are harassed by an admin, you have no recource except to
> another admin.  The police policing the police.  I see no justice in that
> system.  Plenty of abuse.  If you're not an admin, you have no power
> whatsoever over a single admin deciding to silence you.  And other police
> simply back 
> them up.
> 
> That Geni, is the entire nature of the police state.  And why a police
> state is not a system of government under which enlightened people wish to
> operate.  It only takes one run-in of this sort to send the promising editor
> away.  Suggesting this is an appropriate system to retain only shows the sort
> of 
> disconnect Admins have with Editors.
> 
> You assume that any editor who wants to protect themselves from this sort
> of abuse should become an admin.  Tantamount to any citizen wishing to
> protect themselves from the Police should become a policeman.  I find that
> sort of 
> attitude to be.... alarming.
> 
> Will Johnson

Very, very well said, Will. But that's exactly the way it is. That's the way
it is when people who construct and manage an environment like this don't
know the first thing about working constructively with other people. And
that's the way it will be until it can't afford to be that way anymore.

Marc Riddell