[Foundation-l] Fwd: Pt-Portuguese Wikipedia

Virgilio A. P. Machado vam at fct.unl.pt
Tue Mar 23 12:58:52 UTC 2010

I don't see any evidence that "nobody outside the 
Portuguese community can see a problem" unless 
one personal opinion should be considered proof.

The statement was not about anybody outside the 
Portuguese community seeing a problem, but that 
"the issue keeps popping up". The very fact that 
is being addressed here corroborates that 
statement. Examples of previous discussions were 
also provided spanning a period of five years. No 
evidence has been produced to the contrary, i.e., 
that the issue does not keep popping up.

If "it all seems to be a lot of fuss about 
nothing" that might be because appearances can be 
deceiving and burring your head in the sand or 
looking the other way will not make any existing 
problems go away, although everybody is entitled 
to ignore them. That's a very common attitude 
when the problems are not at your doorstep, 
although there's always the danger that they will 
eventually get there. Again, the very fact that 
this discussion is taking place here is a symptom 
that there is a fuss about something.

No statements were made concerning the creation 
or not of a "two-wiki solution". It's nice to 
know that someone believes that "the wider 
Wikimedia community will never accept a two-wiki 
solution". Hopefully not everybody will have such 
a preconceived idea and keep an open mind about 
the specific needs of specific projects. Until 
the problems and needs are properly accessed it 
is premature to dismiss any alternative solution.

Thank you so much for suggesting the "one-wiki 
solution [...] used by the English Wikipedia, 
namely: stop complaining and just write 
encyclopaedia articles." Assuming that you'll 
follow your own advice, your contributions to a 
constructive dialog will be sorely missed.

Indulgence can be an act of tolerance, a moderate 
form of respect, which is the basis for 
non-discrimination. As for childish arguments 
about nothing, there is something to be said for 
someone that bothered to address them. It is an 
example to be followed. If you do not engage 
youngsters in rational conversation often enough, 
even if it is about nothing, they might grow up 
to become rude adults or total morons.


Virgilio A. P. Machado

At 19:50 22-03-2010, you wrote:
>On 22 March 2010 19:01, Virgilio A. P. Machado 
><vam at fct.unl.pt> wrote: > Perhaps the reason the 
>issue keeps popping up is > that, although it 
>has been extensively > «discussed», it has not 
>been properly addressed, much less solved. I 
>think the reason it has never been addressed is 
>that nobody outside the Portuguese community can 
>see a problem. It all seems to be a lot of fuss 
>about nothing. That means the wider Wikimedia 
>community will never accept a two-wiki solution 
>and the most obvious one-wiki solution is the 
>one used by the English Wikipedia, namely: stop 
>complaining and just write encyclopaedia 
>articles. We're not going to indulge a community 
>engaged in a childish argument about nothing. 
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