[Foundation-l] encouraging women's participation

[Sydney Poore]

On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Noein <pronoein at gmail.com> wrote:

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> Wikipedia should be kept a neutral repository of knowledge, not a social
> ground for games. Once you take the path of creating a futile community,
> there is no way to talk about the long term goals of the WMF, the
> vision, the ethics, the humanity, the knowledge. You just have people
> who are here to have fun and to socialize. It would add noise, not signal.
>

> Moreover, I think attracting readers is very different from attracting
> editors. I don't see how it would be positive to convince people to edit
> articles with superficial reasons in mind.
>

My main point is that we could be more fun and accomplish our work better
because we would have more hands doing the work. I don't see doing hard work
and fun as being mutually exclusive.


>
> However external sites could use the content for games or comments (like
> Facebook does). This way, the site originating the "fun attitude" would
> be distinct from the site about knowledge. Wikipedia would get attention
> without being invaded.
>

Yes, integrating with social networking sites and perhaps other real world
venues would be a good way to add a social side to WMF.

Sydney Poore

>
>
> On 19/06/2010 23:58, Sydney Poore wrote:
> > English Wikipedia has numerous contests during the year. Some people
> > regularly participate in them and enjoy them.
> >
> > Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Contest is an example of one that
> is
> > ongoing.
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:MILCON
> >
> > Picture of the year is popular with some people on Commons.
> >
> > While everyone does not want to be involved in contests, they appeal to
> some
> > people and I see no problem with us introducing more of them in WMF
> projects
> > to see if they will draw people into the movement.
> >
> > I feel the same way about encouraging new ways to get different groups of
> > people involved with WMF projects.
> >
> > If gaming can be used to promote an interest in WMF then that is
> goodness.
> > Puzzles, board games, and even more complex fantasy games using content
> > might be a draw for some people. If someone wants to develop them I would
> > not stand in there way.
> >
> > Combining community service and socializing is very common in community
> > organizations, and is appealing to many people. By adding more social
> > components to WMF projects, we will most likely draw in people that
> > otherwise would not volunteer. I see this as an important tool and one
> that
> > should not be dismissed if we are going to broaden the base of our
> > volunteers.
> >
> > Sydney Poore
> > (FloNight)
> >
> > On Sat, Jun 19, 2010 at 5:29 PM, Marc Riddell <
> michaeldavid86 at comcast.net>wrote:
> >
> >> on 6/19/10 4:58 PM, Keegan Peterzell at keegan.wiki at gmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >> <snip>.
> >>>
> >>> There was a great TED speech that I need to look up but don't have the
> >> time
> >>> for at the moment.  The premise of the presentation is that studies
> have
> >>> shown time and time again that things like games, prizes, awards and
> >> other
> >>> measures of gratitude are only temporary measures to increase
> motivation.
> >>> The folks that work for you that are the truly motivated ones and
> >> believers
> >>> in the process do not ask for these rewards.  A pat on the back and a
> >> "good
> >>> job, thanks for your work because I value it very much" occasionally is
> >> the
> >>> only true recognition that is needed.  The other fluff only inspires
> >>> distraction from the goal because it's creating other little goals
> which,
> >> in
> >>> turn, become more important than the end result.
> >>
> >> Yes! Prizes denote direct competition as in sports or, more subtly, with
> >> the
> >> science & arts awards.
> >>
> >> Person-to-person affirmation goes a very long way; and is what
> >> collaboration
> >> & community should be based upon. Give them the climate, and they will
> give
> >> you the culture.
> >>
> >> Marc Riddell
> >>
> >>
> >>
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