[Foundation-l] Boycott in ace at wiki

[Excirial]

*"if the majority feels it has to follow Islamitic law, would we say they
can't add in their local rules "pictures of Mohammed are not allowed"*

If a culture sees these images as highly offensive, and if the main
complement of editors / readers agrees with this i wouldn't object to such a
rule, as long as it remained in their local Wiki, with no attempts to force
it on other wikipedia's. Every culture has its own inherent bias towards
certain topics, and i don't believe that we should try to enforce a certain
"Morale" on other people - in other words, country specific Wikipedia's
should be granted some lenience in setting their own rules.

The limitation here should be that
A) Content may not be illegal in the USA due to hosting locations, and
B) Policies should not conflict with Wikipedia's goal, which is the creation
of a neutral, unbiased encyclopedia.

In other words, if the ACE community (Or any other community for that
matter) would suddenly start banning every user adding criticism on the
Islam (or any other topic), there would be a need for intervention. We
aren't trying to create another conservapedia after all.

~Excirial


On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 6:26 PM, Lodewijk <lodewijk at effeietsanders.org>wrote:

> (not responding to anyone in particular)
>
> I agree with most of what Gerard said: we should talk with them, and be
> polite. What does it bring you to be right, but to scare away a community
> in
> the process? Some people might find comfort in that, I don't.
>
> Now lets try to follow this from their point of view. The English Wikipedia
> adheres to US law, and probably some more. People editing any Wikipedia
> have
> to adhere to the law they are in. Now apparently these people feel that
> they
> should follow Islamitic law. So far, I guess everybody can agree that they
> are OK to do so. The problem comes when they try to force that onto other
> people. But... if the majority of a project is in a certain country - would
> we disallow that project to align the rules to that countries law? And if
> the majority feels it has to follow Islamitic law, would we say they can't
> add in their local rules "pictures of Mohammed are not allowed"? To be
> honest, if that would be what the community wants, and beliefs to be the
> best, who are we to tell them they can't? I can imagine that if these
> people
> have such big problems with it, also the intended audience might be
> insulted
> with those images.
>
> So, there is one other problem: the template. I have seen worse statements
> on user pages, so I would not worry too much about the template itself, as
> long as it is restricted to that. I dont see a problem with discussion.
> However, using it on the main page does pose a problem. We should not be
> bothering our readers with internal conflicts of whatever nature. So
> hopefully we can talk to them about that specifically.
>
> Is anyone in conversation with them now?
>
> Lodewijk
>
> 2010/7/16 Nathan <nawrich at gmail.com>
>
> > On Fri, Jul 16, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Austin Hair <adhair at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > I agree completely with Gerard, and also want to ask that we extend
> > > the same standard to this discussion on the mailing list.
> > >
> > > We can look at this issue and say "stupid fundamentalists," but that's
> > > hardly productive, and very quickly devolves into a thread with posts
> > > that are, at best, pretty darn rude.  I really don't want to have to
> > > moderate five people this weekend when it finally gets to the point of
> > > outright Muslim-bashing.
> > >
> > > Austin
> > >
> >
> >
> > Have a little faith. I don't think anything like outright
> > Muslim-bashing has ever happened on this list by regular participants.
> > Suggestions of closing the Aceh Wikipedia are obviously premature and
> > not helpful; discussing whether the rule violates NPOV, and alerting
> > others to facts about the situation, seems fine. It looks like the
> > administrators involved on ace.wp speak English and other languages,
> > anyone inclined to do so should feel welcome to approach them.
> >
> > It's worth noting the template does not currently appear on the Main
> > Page, and there is something of a discussion about it here:
> >
> >
> http://ace.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marit_Ureu%C3%ABng_Nguy:Hercule#Wikipedia_and_Islam
> >
> > Nathan
> >
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