[Foundation-l] ASCAP comes out against "copyleft"

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Yann Forget wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> 2010/7/2  <wiki-list at phizz.demon.co.uk>:
>> WJhonson at aol.com wrote:
>>>> If a way of halting the gross infringements can't be done. Then  go back
>>>> to hitting the seeders with $22,000 fines per infringed work. The
>>>> economic costs of simply walking away and not stopping the piracy are
>>>> too much.
>>> They know perfectly well how to do it, they've been doing it.
>>> If you can't actually get 85 million dollars out of a 13-year-old girl,
>>> well then that's your tough luck, welcome to jurisprudence U.S. style.
>> The loss to the economy is staggering. Yet you'd do nothing, apply no
>> sanctions, bitch about rights management, and let $billions each year be
>> filtch from the creative industries. That 13 yo is as much a thief as
>> the person that smashes the jewelers window and throws the contents into
>> the street. Maybe we should have her MySpace and Facebook page branded
>> with THIEF.
> 
> Sorry, but this is complete bullshit.
> There is no loss, because most of the music which is freely downloaded
> would never be bought.
> These $billions never existed, and there will never exist.
> 
> I even think that the opposite is sometime true.
> That by making a work freely available online, you create an incentive
> for buying it.
> Since the cost of the online publishing is marginal, there is an
> opportunity for profit.

Online publishing is NOT the cost vector here. The actual material costs 
are negligible. If supermarkets can fly apples across the globe, sell 
them for pennies and still make a profit then transport and storage 
costs aren't an issue either. The cost are for paying the session 
musicians, the sound engineer, hire of the recording equipment, the 
mikes, amplifiers, all that sort of stuff. If you skimp on that your 
song sounds like shit. Then there is all the additional costs involved 
in getting it to market.


>> That aside if I invest a bunch of money in some stocks that gives me a
>> share in the profits of that companies I've invested in. No one says
>> that in 10 years time my rights to a share in those profits are forfeit,
>>  and the rights devolved to some general class of whiners and moaners
>> with an inflated sense of entitlement.
> 
> You cannot blame others if you invest money in the wrong place.
> 

EH! There is protection for someone who invests in an oil rig their 
investment is protected for life and beyond, or until the well runs dry. 
  But those that invest in creating something that advances science and 
the arts etc, those that are successful at it, those ones they get their 
investment taken away. Wow that's fair.


> The point is that the publishing industry _has_ to review its economic model
> with the new technical situation which is the Internet, and whether it
> publishes music, video or text.
> 

I have the impression that back in the C15 you'd have been there arguing 
  Hey those peasants need to review their economic model of growing 
crops for market, now that there is this new technical situation which 
is the gun.