[Foundation-l] Accuracy required

[FT2]

That won't help much.

If I understand your email correctly, you want the information in order to
protest on pt.wiki - either about your name being used or about being
blocked for mentioning other users' names.

There are problems with this.

   1. The thread started by saying it is inaccurate to use a tag line "the
   only person ruled by an arbcom under a real name (in the title)". Cases
   exist (eg enwiki Arbcom)
   2. Each project is independent. What enwiki does may truthfully be
   different from ruwiki, ptwiki, dewiki. wikis can be very different and their
   internal decisions on these things can be compared but it is not going to
   persuade anyone about pt.wiki, if you try and argue about events on some
   other wiki.
   3. Even on a single wiki, treatment may vary within context. For example
   on enwiki a user may be blocked indefinitely for naming another user's real
   name, or an arbcom case may even be named after a real name. What is the
   difference?  In the first case the real name was not public, in the second
   case the real name was also their username. So a lot varies depending on
   context and community.
   4. You may be the only person dealt with under a real name *by pt-arbcom*.
   But nobody has said you were or weren't.

Hope this helps?

FT2

On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:37 PM, Virgilio A. P. Machado <vam at fct.unl.pt>wrote:

> 1) No real names will be disclosed on this list on account of the request
> made.
>
> 2) No action is asked or expected.
>
> These two personal commitments are important before answering an
> absolutely legitimate request for clarification: "why [is] this issue
> of such [...] importance to the thread-creator."
>
> It is very important for this user. Most are now familiar with the
> use of his real name by the pt.wiki arbcom.
>
>
> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2009-09-01_Virg%C3%ADlio_A._P._Machado
> and
>
>
> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2009-09-01_Virg%C3%ADlio_A._P._Machado
>
> That never bothered the user or the foregone decision to filter his
> edits for infinity, a period that far exceeds his expected natural
> life. The 53 irregularities that overshadowed the case bothered him a
> great deal more.
>
> What is not so well known is that four months later, while quietly
> working on a new subpage, after listing the real names of two users,
> this was used against him and eventually led to him being blocked or
> banned (depending on the page you look at) for infinity, by the same
> administrator, bureaucrat, checkuser, and arbcom member (hopefully no
> title was left out) that led the arbcom in the case using his real name.
>
> It is very important for the pt.wiki.
>
> The governance of the pt.wiki is in such disrepair that this user
> felt compelled to gather as much information as possible on a Meta
> page. Soon, that work was under attack by the same user mentioned
> above and one of his accomplices, and his now on hold as a user subpage:
>
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado/Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues
>
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Vapmachado/Portuguese_Wikipedia_governance_issues
>
> This modest work was started in May 4, 2010, well before the
> following reports on Meta:
>
> October 2010 -
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Sir_Lestaty_de_Lioncourt/Archive/October/2010
>
> November 2010 -
>
> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2010-12-01_Poss%C3%ADvel_abuso_em_verifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es
>
>
> http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_Discuss%C3%A3o:Conselho_de_arbitragem/Casos/2010-12-01_Poss%C3%ADvel_abuso_em_verifica%C3%A7%C3%B5es
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Stewards'_noticeboard
>
> It is very important to the communities at large.
>
> Unaware of the existence of this essay
> (http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User:Kylu/Essay and
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Kylu/Essay), this user
> opened a request for comment on Meta on "What is public and
> non-public personal information?"
> (
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information
> and
>
> http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Talk:Requests_for_comment/Public_or_non-public_personal_information
> )
> which brought to the fore some of fears, tabus and misconceptions
> that are quite widespread on Wikimedia projects.
>
> It is hoped that the above explanations fully justify the statement
> that the user was interested in the information requested "For
> reasons of the utmost importance, not only to this user but to the
> communities at large." as it would provide more evidence of real
> names being used, without leading to the blocking or banning of the
> arbcoms that used them in the TITLE of a case.
>
> Due to the sensitivity of the matter, this user wishes to withdraw
> his request, and apologizes for any anxiety he might have caused in
> some members of this list.  What happened to him is evidence enough.
> If there are no further questions concerning this request, it will
> now be considered closed. For inquires, opinions, and/or debate about
> other matters mentioned above, both this user and the listed talk
> pages are available to all.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Virgilio A. P. Machado (Vapmachado)
> "Co-author" of "A civilized community"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Vapmachado/Comment_draft
>
>
> At 01:17 09-12-2010, you wrote:
> >On the English Wikipedia, we generally try to avoid bringing editors' real
> >names into decisions, unless the username is the real name.  In the three
> >years I've been an arbitrator, we have extended this courtesy even to some
> >highly troublesome users.  (Aficionadoes of the En-WP arbitration pages
> will
> >recognize the "Mantanmoreland" and "MZMcBride 2" cases as examples.)
> >
> >I am not clear, however, on why this issue of such such importance to the
> >thread-creator.
> >
> >Newyorkbrad
>
>
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