[Foundation-l] Do we have a complete set of WMF projects?

[Anthony]

On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:51 PM, jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com <
jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 8:37 PM, Anthony <wikimail at inbox.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Sep 12, 2009 at 2:17 PM, jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com <
> > jamesmikedupont at googlemail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> You have this directory already!
> >> Just extract all the deleted articles that are not notible.
> >> you will have all the small business that got deleted.
> >>
> >> In fact that is the biggest pain that people face, they get deleted.
> >> We need some way to keep pages from being deleted, but moved.
> >>
> >
> > I think first there needs to be a place to move them to.  OSM has come a
> > long way since I first proposed Wikiteer, which was meant to be a
> > combination of items of local interest which were deleted as non-notable
> > plus the GIS support structure to map them.  Nowadays I'm comfortable
> > letting OSM manage the GIS/mapping aspect and sticking to just the
> > description pages (phone numbers, addresses, websites, operating hours,
> > maybe even some topic specific info like menus or admission prices or
> show
> > schedules).
>
> OSM supports address and websites.
> It could store all the data in fact, it is free form.
> you could have key=price-food-hambuger val=1$ if you want.
>

Addresses, fine.  Websites, maybe (it's kind of redundant putting website=
http://www.publix.com/ on every single store location).  Phone numbers, I'd
say no - that's too transient and not really location based in the first
place.  Prices, absolutely not - way too transient for a GIS.

Basically you can store all the data that google local does in osm.
>

You could, but personally I don't think that'd be very good from a design
perspective.  OSM could, of course, have a separate database for this type
of information, but that seems like the kind of thing that the WMF does
better.

I can pretty much guarantee you that Google Local doesn't put phone numbers
in its GIS database under the nodes table, but puts that stuff in a separate
database (or at least a separate table) and links the two databases/table
together.

This is especially true when it comes to relatively long freeform text
descriptions, both from a perspective of performance (you want this stuff in
separate tables) and editing (I don't want to use Potlatch or JOSM to update
the operating hours of my local library).

Does OSM maintain a persistent unique ID for every node/way?  That's
probably the way to do it.  Also solves to some extent the copyright
problem.  OSM can add nodes using sources its feels comfortable with, and
Wikipedia can geolocate articles using sources its comfortable with, and the
two can be tied together with the OSM node's unique ID - even if the
positions are a few feet different due to different sourcing.