[Foundation-l] Moderate this list

[effe iets anders]

The problem becomes more serious when several people tell me that they
either unsubscribe from this list or do not dare any more to give input in
discussions because of these people (not defining anybory, but more in
general the group of people being harsh and posting a lot). That is
currently the case and a complaint I have heard several times. To me, that
means we crossed some lines which we should not have. I'm confident you have
a thick skin and can handle it all, but please realize that not everybody is
as experienced as you are, not everybody is as fluent in English and not
everybody is as bold to speak up. Some people need a somewhat more
stimulating and constructive environment for that.

-- Lodewijk

2009/9/10 Ray Saintonge <saintonge op telus.net>

>
> > Date: Sat, 29 Aug 2009 11:46:36 -0400
> > From: Anthony <wikimail op inbox.org>
> > Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] moderate this list
> >
> > There needs to be place for dozens of back-and-forth-over-minor-details
> > discussion.  Long detailed emails have their place, but after they are
> > posted there needs to be room for a question and answer session.
>  Limiting
> > these Q&A sessions so that each person can merely make a single comment
> and
> > then receive a single response severely limits the ability of people to
> > engage in useful discussion, and forcing people to have any back and
> forth
> > discussions off-list severely limits the usefulness of the list for
> > brainstorming and for refining ideas.
> >
> > If you want a separate list for long, well-thought-out emails, I'm fine
> with
> > that.  But we need a place for brainstorming and refining ideas. We need
> a
> > place for back-and-forth discussion.
> >
> > Am I in the minority in believing that?
> >
> >
> This issue of moderation comes up with great regularity, though not
> always about the same individuals.  Anthony and Thomas have
> well-established credentials as pains in the ass ... so too has a shot
> of penicillin.  I have frequently disagreed  with them, but even when my
> personal opinion has been that they have reached their most idiotic I
> have never sought to throttle them.  I have a much easier option: the
> delete key on my keyboard.
>
> To those who consider them trolls: Why are you feeding them with
> requests for moderation?  Has that oft repeated simple advice never had
> any effect upon you?  If you view them as part of the problem, must you
> too become a part of the problem by promoting an equally inane series of
> messages about moderation?
>
> The protection of free speech does not begin with laws on the matter,
> but with our own personal responses to what we regard as objectionable.
>
> Ec
>
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