[Foundation-l] Google Wave and Wikimedia projects

Michael Peel email at mikepeel.net
Sat May 30 20:29:44 UTC 2009

Having just watched the talk/show/discussion/dancing, I agree  
completely with Steve's comments on wikien-l:

On 29 May 2009, at 04:52, Steve Bennett wrote:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_UyVmITiYQ&eurl=http%3A%2F% 
> 2Fwave.google.com%2F&feature=player_embedded
> (See from about 31:00 onwards for the relevant bit...)
> Real-time collaborative editing. Scroll back and forth through
> history, showing changes by a single user or of a single paragraph.
> Embedded comments updated in real time. Edit from multiple clients.
> Could we please have all of this? This is several orders of magnitude
> better than MediaWiki's collaborative editing features.
> Steve
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I'm not so sure about the rest of the wave idea (I dislike being  
trapped within a browser rather than using the whole of a computer's  
interface, and I'm vary wary about the apparent lack of interaction  
with existing systems and the whole client-server interaction), I  
thought that the interface was amazing.

I would love to see a Wikipedia article develop along the lines of  
the play back option; it would be great to be able to instantly edit  
Wikipedia, and see other people's edits in real time (although real- 
time vandalism could be interesting...). Being able to drag-and-drop  
images into an article/onto Commons from a desktop, or from elsewhere  
on the web, would be a real timesaver.

Could this be considered by the Usability team, or is this way beyond  
their scope? Could we ask Google nicely to come up with a brand new  
interface for mediawiki? ;-)


On 29 May 2009, at 20:10, Milos Rancic wrote:

> Probably, some of you already saw that Google made something for which
> I think that it will be the new form of the mainstream Internet
> perception. You may read Slashdot article [1], a good description at
> the blog "Google Operating System" [2] (not officially connected with
> Google) and, of course, you may see the official site with more than
> one hour of presentation [3].
> I expected such kind of tool (a client connected with others via P2P
> XML-based protocol; with servers for identification). However, I
> didn't expect that i will come so soon, that it will be done by one
> large corporation and that it will be done at the right way: open
> protocol, free software referent implementation.
> At the official site they said that it will start to work during this
> year. As one large corporation is behind the project, as well as free
> and open source community is able to participate, I have no doubts
> that it will be implemented all over the Internet (and not just
> Internet) very quickly. Probably, in two years the basic component of
> one modern operating system will not be a Web browser, but a Wave
> client. Probably, Web will become a storage system, while all of the
> interaction will be done via Waves.
> This development of Internet is very strongly related to the  
> Wikimedia projects:
> * I want to be able to edit Wikipedia through the Wave client.
> * I want to add my own notes to articles, history of articles etc.
> * I want to have collection of my knowledge at one place, including
> Wikipedia articles and my notes.
> * I want to be able to make a program which would analyze articles on
> Wikipedia and to give program and/or analysis to my friends.
> * I want many more things to be browsable or editable or whatever from
> a Wave client...
> All of those my (but, in one year, not just my) wishes may be
> fulfilled just through work on MediaWiki and Pywikipediabot. So, I am
> calling all of you who are willing to think about it or who are at the
> position to think about it -- to start with thinking :)
> [1] - http://tech.slashdot.org/story/09/05/28/1912226/Googles-Wave- 
> Blurs-Chat-Email-Collaboration-Software
> [2] - http://googlesystem.blogspot.com/2009/05/google-wave.html
> [3] - http://wave.google.com/
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