[Foundation-l] Third-party GFDL text irrevocably incompatible with Wikipedia as of August 1

[David Goodman]

The solution, as with international affairs, is tolerance. In this
case, the practical aceptance of all free licenses as equivalent,
regardless of lthe licensing zealots. Free culture arose to permit
reuse, and should continue that way. We should  simply have told the
FSF:  At least when dealign with text, we regard all CC-BY licenses as
compatible with each other and with GFDL, and therefore there's
nothing that needs to be negotiated. Anyone who wants to use our
content under any such license is welcome, and we will treat yours
similarly, under the presumption that any court would regard the
differences as insignificant.

David Goodman, Ph.D, M.L.S.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:DGG



On Thu, May 28, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Ray Saintonge <saintonge at telus.net> wrote:
> Samuel Klein wrote:
>>> As much as anything else it is the short time frame that will look
>>> pushy.  Wikipedia went through a lot of debate *before* the switch, and
>>>
>> The timeframe is a problem, absolutely.
>>
>
> If we were so fortunate as to have that as the only problem, there would
> be nothing to prevent the WMF Board from simply extending the deadline.
>
>>> the internal debates of others should not matter less.  As I understand
>>> what is being said they will still be able to import from WMF projects;
>>>
>> For a limited time - until some bit of cc-sa material is incorporated
>> into a given article.  In a matter of months or years they will no
>> longer be able to import text from the latest pages; they won't be
>> able to choose then to relicense, because it will no longer be
>> possible under GFDL 1.3.
>>
>
> Who is going to stop them?  Take this too far and it could drift into
> the realm of anti-trust legislation.
>> This is all we need to convey.  If a given site doesn't care, great!
>> but most people, even those familiar with this process and our
>> discussions of it, do not understand the long-term implications of the
>> august deadline.   [In part because the limited-time-dual-licensing
>> language muddies the issue, perhaps.]
>>
>
> Long-term implications require long-term discussion.  The implications
> have less to do with such details as a specific deadline, and more with
> the terms themselves.
>
>>> If WMF projects can't copy from them it will more likely enhance the uniqueness
>>> of their project, a potentially positive result in a competitive market.
>>>
>> I'm worried about small sites that want intercompatibility with WMF
>> projects (which are the gorilla in the room), and larger ones whose
>> communities expect this to be a standing option.
>
> Those projects still need to take a positive stand among their own
> members that they want such intercompatibility.  Absent that, we are
> only guessing about what they want.
>
>> In terms of raw
>> content, the fraction of new material that is imported from sites that
>> aren't already considering switching is small.  But we have a certain
>> obligation to act as stewards for the free sharing of knowledge, in a
>> networked community that we have helped to build, including thousands
>> of groups who we don't directly see on Wikipedia but who have made
>> choices based on ours in the past.
>>
>
> That "certain obligation" sounds like a variation upon the Monroe
> Doctrine, or the self-assumed notion of some countries that they have an
> obligation to bring democracy to others.  Various protestant and
> orthodox sects differed from the Church of Rome in that they did not
> understand that the passing the keys from Jesus to Peter would
> eventually justify the appointment of Grand Inquisitors.
>
>> Sites for which compatibility isn't relevant, but choosing the right
>> free license for wide reuse is, should also understand why we have
>> wanted this change for years, and why we have decided to make the
>> transition.  We will help others by being proud of this and the
>> thought (and thousands of legal person-hours) that went into it, not
>> shy.
>>
>
> There is no such thing as a "right" free licence.  I'm satisfied by
> following a few fundamental principles, and beyond that, saying
> "Whatever!" to any licence that people may choose.  The challenge is to
> make them all fit together, not to make one of them dominant.
>
> Ec
>
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