[Foundation-l] Creation of Pontic Wikipedia

Crazy Lover always_yours.forever at yahoo.com
Tue Mar 10 18:02:43 UTC 2009

Exactly Marcus, Greeks, when refering FYROM, prefer the name Vardaria (no barbaria). It is neutral (not offensive) word.


The use of Macedonia is reserved for the Greek "nomo"


The use of the Macedonia for non greek territories is consider an usurpation.


From: Marcus Buck <me at marcusbuck.org>
To: Wikimedia Foundation Mailing List <foundation-l at lists.wikimedia.org>
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 6:53:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Foundation-l] Creation of Pontic Wikipedia

Milos Rancic hett schreven:
> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Zaharias Diakonikolaou
> <zadiak1993 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> The Pontic wikipedia has launched! Everyone is welcome to participate in the
>> project. Also, I would like to thank Brion Vibber because he responded to my
>> mail and arranged the launch of the wikipedia.
> Why is the name of Republic of Macedonia on Pontic Wikipedia "Η
> Δημοκρατίαν τη Βαρδάρονος" [1]  (Republic of Barbarians), not like on
> Greek Wikipedia Η πρώην Γιουγκοσλαβική Δημοκρατία της Μακεδονίας [2]
> (Former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia)? I see that this name is
> supported by you [3].
> Such behavior is totally unacceptable by one admin of a Wikimedia
> project and I am asking others to express their opinion about your
> adminship at this project.
> [1] - http://pnt.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CE%93%CE%94%CE%9C
> [2] - http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CF%81%CF%8E%CE%B7%CE%BD_%CE%93%CE%B9%CE%BF%CF%85%CE%B3%CE%BA%CE%BF%CF%83%CE%BB%CE%B1%CE%B2%CE%B9%CE%BA%CE%AE_%CE%94%CE%B7%CE%BC%CE%BF%CE%BA%CF%81%CE%B1%CF%84%CE%AF%CE%B1_%CF%84%CE%B7%CF%82_%CE%9C%CE%B1%CE%BA%CE%B5%CE%B4%CE%BF%CE%BD%CE%AF%CE%B1%CF%82
> [3] - http://pnt.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=%CE%A0%CE%93%CE%94%CE%9C&diff=3894&oldid=3889
My Greek is not very good (in other word: I don't speak a word), but to 
me it reads "Vardar" and not "Barbar". Vardar is a river in Macedonia. 
The name is not offensive in any way. Well, it's definitely a name that 
expresses discontent about the alleged "occupation" of the name 
"Macedonia", but it's in no way anything suitable to doubt anybody's 
admin status..
If that's the common name for Macedonia in the Pontic community, the 
article should be under that name. If it's not, well, then find 
references supporting that and argue on the wiki. But dragging the issue 
on the "international stage" won't be helpful in any way.

Marcus Buck

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