[Foundation-l] Wikia leasing office space to WMF

Alex mrzmanwiki at gmail.com
Sat Jan 24 19:41:23 UTC 2009


I'm criticizing the switch from "Wikia leasing office space to WMF" to
"Is the CIA evil?" I just responded to the most recent email in my
inbox; I thought that would be more appropriate than responding to all
17 CIA/NSA-related emails. I was not criticizing you in particular.

The topic of this thread is "Wikia leasing office space to WMF," that
should be rather clear from the subject. And the topic of the list is
"Wikimedia related issues." Its almost on topic for the list (MediaWiki
is at least mentioned occasionally), its certainly not at all related to
the topic of the thread.

Brian wrote:
> It was a clear factual error which I corrected. If you aren't going to
> criticize the original comment you have no basis for criticizing the
> correction.
> At any rate, what exactly is the topic of this thread, in your opinion?
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Alex <mrzmanwiki at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Brian wrote:
>>>> If the CIA were to hand you a improved-mediawiki binary, sure
>>> PHP is an interpreted language. Surely you wouldn't use someone elses
>> byte
>>> code.
>>>
>>>
>>> On Sat, Jan 24, 2009 at 8:32 AM, Platonides <Platonides at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>> Nikola Smolenski wrote:
>>>>> Given that we know that NSA conducts massive illegal spying operations,
>>>> there
>>>>> is possibility that selinux is altered in a fashion that will make it
>>>> easier
>>>>> for NSA to spy on selinux' users. I don't know what are CIA's
>>>> contributions
>>>>> to MediaWiki, but unless it is trivial to review them, I would not
>> accept
>>>>> them.
>>>> If the CIA were to hand you a improved-mediawiki binary, sure. You could
>>>> very well be suspicious about it. But we're talking about open source.
>>>> They would be providing the changes, which are to be reviewed, like any
>>>> other code, or perhaps even more, due to coming from the CIA.
>>>>
>>>> Take into account that CIA and NSA need good software, too. So if they
>>>> add a backdoor, they would need to add it *and* at the same time make it
>>>> easy to protect from it, as they wouldn't want their own systems spied
>>>> by their own rootkit (and someone will end up forgetting to apply it).
>>>>
>>>> Instead, contributing good fixes, make everything easier.
>>>>
>>>> OTOH I encourage you to review selinux. That would make a great heading
>>>> 'Nikola Smolenski discovers NSA backdoor on Linux code'
>>>>
>> This is getting rather off-topic, especially for this thread, and
>> possibly for the list as well.
>>
>> --
>> Alex (wikipedia:en:User:Mr.Z-man)
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