[Foundation-l] Board resolutions (chapters)
gerard.meijssen at gmail.com
Tue Jan 20 13:18:08 UTC 2009
If the Wikimedia Foundations needs chapters that can act and will act, you
do not want chapters that act only like societies. If you truly want active
and responsible organisations you have to be clear about this need and
assess the performance of chapters accordingly. I completely agree that each
organisation is independent in what it does however the status of chapter
should relate to its function. When a society does not perform as a chapter,
you can still have good relations with them but should they have a claim to
the title of chapter ???
2009/1/20 Ting Chen <wing.philopp at gmx.de>
> Florence Devouard wrote:
> > Ting Chen wrote:
> >> Gerard Meijssen wrote:
> >>> Hoi,
> >>> The territofy for the Dutch chapter ends officially at the border
> >>> Belgium and the Netherlands.
> >> I don't see it necessary to be must so. As you have said, it is unlikely
> >> that there would be a Belgium chapter. So if the community support the
> >> idea, I don't see any reason why the Dutch chapter cannot be active in
> >> Belgium. By establishing a branch there the Dutch chapter can also
> >> provide the same services it can provide for its dutch members like tax
> >> exempt status or organize meetings and other activities. If this is a
> >> good thing, and has support from the community, why not?
> >>> There is no Belgium chapter and given their
> >>> politics it is unlikely that there will be one. The projects in the
> >>> language include many Belgians and they are welcome to become a member
> >>> the Dutch "vereniging".
> >> And as far as I know none of our chapters has defined that only people
> >> from a certain region can be their membership. Delphine for example is
> >> member of the french and the italian chapter and not of the german
> >> chapter, although she lives in Frankfurt, Germany.
> >> And the example of Belgium is another good example for allow subnational
> >> chapters.
> >>> Ting, it is nice that you do not see what countries have to do with
> >>> chapters. One of the main points of chapters is that they represent the
> >>> Wikimedia Foundation in a limited fashion and, that they take care of
> >>> that need to be taken care off on a local level. They are things like
> >>> fundraising and looking for a tax exempt status for gifts etc. When a
> >>> chapter is nothing but a society, there is less need for an official
> >>> connection with the WMF. The people in New York can have their own
> >>> there is no need for them being a chapter and take care by necessity of
> >>> these needs.
> >> Sure. Suppose the Foundation is not located in the USA, and there is no
> >> USA chapter. The NYC chapter can get for its members tax exemption, so
> >> this is a good thing, why not? The NYC can organize activities in their
> >> area and this is also a good thing, why not?
> >> And the chapters are by NO MEANs a sub-organization of the WMF. They are
> >> in principle independent and of their own. There are links between the
> >> WMF and the chapters, yes. But as I said, we would also support all
> >> other voluntier activities (or societies) as far as they are affordable.
> >>> If you say that a chapter is only a society and that this is all that
> >>> counts, I do not understand why it is not permitted to have chapters
> >>> covering the same space. Why not have an Amsterdam chapter if the
> >>> from Amsterdam think it a good idea ??
> >> The chapters has agreement with the WMF that they may in their area
> >> negotiate with third parties on use of wikimedia project logos and
> >> names.
> > Actually, that's a pretty optimistic view of the situation.
> > The very largest majority of chapters do not have agreement.
> > Afaik, only one chapter has.
> > When propositions are received, either we forward them to the Foundation
> > and hope someone will deal with them. Or we just dump them because we
> > can not negociate.
> > Ant
> > The cretiria for a not overlapping in geographical regions is
> >> mainly to prevent a third party to try to play one chapter against
> >> Greetings
> >> Ting
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> Hi Ant,
> yes, this is also very unconvenient for the foundation and this is the
> reason why the board want to talk to the chapter about the growth and
> maturity of the chapters. If we can help, we would like to help. We want
> that all chapters can do agreements and the foundations don't need to do
> them in these areas. We also hope that the chapters can talk with the
> museums and archives and organize academies and so on. We would like to
> see the chapters more active.
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